NM Federal Land Transfer!

[El Jason]

On Wyoming school trust lands you are not allowed to camp overnight or have a fire. There are plenty of restrictions on state lands in Wyoming.

It’s weird you would have user fees for things like campgrounds, boat ramps, ski trail grooming, etc.

 

[mtmiller]

It’s weird you would have user fees for things like campgrounds, boat ramps, ski trail grooming, etc.

None of which are on Wyoming state trust lands either.

 

[Benfromalbuquerque]

I’ll plug this now for anyone who’s still debating if states are capable of retaining land put into care of the State.

Thread 'State Trust Lands are NOT Public Land'

Jan 24, 2025

This is another of our videos to try give more information about the effort to liquidate and privatize our Federal lands. This one explains State Land Boards, their history, how they operate, and why State Land Boards are the chosen conduit for the groups wanting to see your Federal lands liquidated.

State Land is NOT Public Land | Fresh Tracks Weekly (Ep. 84)

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[Benfromalbuquerque]

Anywhere there is State Trust Land in the several western states, it is owned wholly by the State. Entities from the same State such as game management agencies or State Parks may lease use of the surface land and water through some term financial agreement with the landowner.

Or, as with the Nevada example, sell it all. 4,000,000 acres initially granted to the State to dispose of as they saw fit in perpetuity of education. Now Nevada has some 2,900 acres remaining.

 

[Treeshark]

To be fair though, isn’t Nevada still like 85% public land overall?

 

[Benfromalbuquerque]

To be fair though, isn’t Nevada still like 85% public land overall?

That is true, 81% Federal. There was even a large transfer way back when to trade the Feds for more arable land in kind. And… it’s gone. Because that’s what Nevada wanted to do is sell it. Now this 81% Fed land today is largely managed by BLM. The same agency being targeted for these transfers to State management. Why should we expect Nevada to act differently after the first four million acres?

 

[Wyoming270]

And WY has sold off almost 20% of its acreage since inception...

That is not true.

 

[Wyoming270]

On Wyoming school trust lands you are not allowed to camp overnight or have a fire. There are plenty of restrictions on state lands in Wyoming.

School trust lands are a very small portion of wyoming state land.

 

[Forkyfinder]

That is not true.

It is true. From a reliable source you might trust.

1/6th 10 years ago, might be rounding high but i dont know whats happened there.

 

[westbranch]

School trust lands are a very small portion of wyoming state land.

What is the large portion of Wyoming state land?

This says that state trust lands are 3.4 million acres.

https://wyoleg.gov/InterimCommittee/2022/03-2022042703-01WyomingStateTrustLands.pdf

This says WGFD maintains 500k acres, which includes leases and other agreements.

Public access | Wyoming Game & Fish Department

 

[mtmiller]

School trust lands are a very small portion of wyoming state land.

Wyoming State Trust Lands - 3.6 million acres
Wyoming Division of State Parks, Historic Site and Trails - 44,455 acres (land 22k, water surface 24k)
Wyoming G&F Department - 35k acres

 

[Wyoming270]

Wyoming State Trust Lands - 3.6 million acres
Wyoming Division of State Parks, Historic Site and Trails - 44,455 acres (land 22k, water surface 24k)
Wyoming G&F Department - 35k acres

The question was school land vs non school land, not game and fish or state parks.

 

[INMT]

The question was school land vs non school land, not game and fish or state parks.

So cite your source and show us school trust acreage and non school trust acreage.

 

[mtmiller]

The question was school land vs non school land, not game and fish or state parks.

It took me about 15 seconds to get the number. What did you come up with?

 

[hank4elk]

View attachment 413335
Here’s sunrise today on the proposed transfer block.

They'll stick a resort of some kind on it. Or should.
That kid should make a poster for it. " Get Buff on the Bluff!"
He sure has grown.

Seriously, I agree Ben. The road is something...else. I have seen some hinky transfers in this state.

 

[westbranch]

The question was school land vs non school land, not game and fish or state parks.

Is this other state land in the room with us?

 

[bobbadbob]

Here is the extant legislation. Heritage and cultural claims have remained intact. This 2003 Act did furthermore make provisions for:

(Sec. 6) Limits the Pueblo's rights
and interest in the Area to exclude: (1) any right to sell, grant, lease, convey, encumber or exchange lands in the Area; (2) exemption from applicable Federal wildlife protection laws; (3) the right to conveyance or exchange of land interests; and (4) the right to exclude persons or governmental entities.

So here’s some local background to better explain why Sandia Pueblo’s claim of continuing hunting activities is also bullshit as well as other potential nefarious intents-
There is no real hunting at this time. It’s easier to hunt in Long Island County than it is here in Bernalillo/Sandoval counties. Last I saw on the game proclamation, this hunt area has eight (8!) lottery deer permits and it’s only archery. Discharge of firearms is prohibited by ordinance in both Counties. So it’s the oddball coyote/rabbit archer or falconer who hunts in this area. Elk were eradicated in these parts hundred or so years back. There is the occasional sighting now, but no herds.
There is a real shitroad, Placitas Road, that runs up from Placitas (Sandoval) into Cedar Crest (Bernalillo). If the Pueblo were to develop this land, they could add in a conveyance (currently prohibited by legislation) that would be a major obstacle solution to thousands of drivers. People are currently forced to find an indirect way to I-25 or NM-14 because of the shitroad being the only option through the mountains.
The Sandia Pueblo is also currently almost 23,000 acres. The proposal would add almost half of that again. Now with the Pueblo doing just fine so far, what ever could they do with this excess property? Hint* the luxury of living just outside Santa Fe or Albuquerque has recently priced out a lot of potential homeowners.

the view from eastern new mexico...after reading all the comments from wyoming that may or may not be comparable to nm one has to realize that what works in other places does not work in nm according to first territorial gov lew wallace...the crux of this issue is elections have consequences...what the rio grande corridor sows the rest of the state reaps