KMO385
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My profile picture, where I got my first Ruffed Grouse is marked for possible disposal.....
Land Grab Map-- Tell me a story
- Thread starter Ben Long
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44hunter45
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I have heard this as well. All true except for the denomination of the bills.
44hunter45
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Think of the millions spent in Nevada protecting migration corridors. I will be committed to protecting the animals no matter how this goes down, but if you live in Nevada you should be asking if all this was done for the benefit of future LO tag holders.
klampson
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I had to deal with a lot of anti fishing and hunting interests during my career with a state fish and game agency, but this is next level sinister. Talk about destroying the fabric of the West….
44hunter45
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I suppose I am bombing this thread.
Ben has inspired me to review my recent and historical outdoor adventures with respect to this map. It's pretty shocking how much of my outdoor memories could be for sale to the highest bidder. Especially knowing full well that only extractive corporations or tech billionaires will ever be able to afford this land. Don't believe the lie that the states are going to buy this. They can afford neither the purchase nor the maintenance.
In 2023 I spent 3 days in the Alpine Lakes at what is now called "Nosh Nosh Wahtum". This was formerly known by a name deemed offensive to indigenous people. I think the new name sounds cooler. The lake itself is not risk of sale, but the only road in runs up a valley which is. If I were a tech billionaire I damn sure would buy this and lock everyone out of this piece of the ALW. The Cle Elum River Valley is an amazing and heavily used access corridor.
Everyone who has watched Northern Exposure has seen Cathedral Rock on B-roll. When I was here post Covid, you could not get a parking space within a mile of the trailhead. USFS was enforcing distributed camping regulations closely because there was huge human impact.
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Ben has inspired me to review my recent and historical outdoor adventures with respect to this map. It's pretty shocking how much of my outdoor memories could be for sale to the highest bidder. Especially knowing full well that only extractive corporations or tech billionaires will ever be able to afford this land. Don't believe the lie that the states are going to buy this. They can afford neither the purchase nor the maintenance.
In 2023 I spent 3 days in the Alpine Lakes at what is now called "Nosh Nosh Wahtum". This was formerly known by a name deemed offensive to indigenous people. I think the new name sounds cooler. The lake itself is not risk of sale, but the only road in runs up a valley which is. If I were a tech billionaire I damn sure would buy this and lock everyone out of this piece of the ALW. The Cle Elum River Valley is an amazing and heavily used access corridor.
Everyone who has watched Northern Exposure has seen Cathedral Rock on B-roll. When I was here post Covid, you could not get a parking space within a mile of the trailhead. USFS was enforcing distributed camping regulations closely because there was huge human impact.
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Straight Arrow
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Is that Donald Sutherland from Hollywood?
44hunter45
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The beard is gone. I decided there is only one Jim Baichtal.
Schaaf
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Stop, you’re giving out hints.
Looking at the map, I would say that all public land that isn't in a national park, national monument, wilderness area or in the state of Montana is eligible to be sold off. Almost none of that land is suitable for "affordable housing" so clearly affordable housing is not the purpose of this bill.
grndslam
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Lucky to hunt and fish multiple states all public land. Lots of great memories in all of these pictures. This years archery elk unit pretty much all for sale... Top to Bottom NM, CO, CO, AZ, NM. All of these locations potentially for sale. No Bueno
Potsie
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Long story short, first elk is in the list. Last 3 elk are on the list. Only ID pronghorn is in the list. The lake that we backpacked into for our honeymoon is on the chopping block. Sooooo many memories of backpacking and fly fishing the St. Joe (pretty sure @Ben Long and I could swap some “the Joe” stories) all happened in places in the list. Same with the Clearwater.
Mike Lee, though mayst inject a satchel of Richard’s.
Mike Lee, though mayst inject a satchel of Richard’s.
MTelkHuntress
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My favorite fishing spot I have been going to since I was 5 years old. A place my family has enjoyed for decades. Also where I stumbled on this deadhead with my puppy. I have so many great memories in the area. My first camping trip, the first time I ever saw a moose, first time I ever caught a frog, and the first time I ever saw a pika. Buckets of huckleberries picked, lots of s'mores eaten around the campfire and a whole lot of fish cooked over the campfire with some lime juice squeezed on top. A place to enjoy good food with family.
Geez, hard to say what isn't on that list. Where I've killed most of my big game animals. The area I spend a lot of my winter backcountry skiing, many places I go camping with my family in the summertime. The BLM land just behind my house that my kids and I hike after work.
I'd be interested to see the plans for affordable housing development in the middle of the Wyoming Range.
I'd be interested to see the plans for affordable housing development in the middle of the Wyoming Range.
Every Idaho elk, bear, and most deer I have ever killed have been in areas on the map. Montana and Wyoming D,E,A, spots are on the map.
A couple of spots that I camp at when I’m rafting would be gone. All my favorite huckleberry spots are at risk.
Sickening. The more I look at the map, the more it hits home.
Kinda surreal.
I’ve never been a guy that contacts politicians and expresses my views simply because I don’t believe they actually give a damn about my views unless I am in a different tax bracket. I will be contacting my representatives this time.
Thanks for posting @Ben Long
A couple of spots that I camp at when I’m rafting would be gone. All my favorite huckleberry spots are at risk.
Sickening. The more I look at the map, the more it hits home.
Kinda surreal.
I’ve never been a guy that contacts politicians and expresses my views simply because I don’t believe they actually give a damn about my views unless I am in a different tax bracket. I will be contacting my representatives this time.
Thanks for posting @Ben Long
np307
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Literally every animal I've killed in the west has been on land included in that map.
Irrelevant
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I could write about all the animals hunted or chased on lands designated for chopping block, all but one of my elk, my best 2 deer, my last deer, every bear, and countless grouse, but what upsets me far more are the lands on which I spent so many hours with my grandfather fishing small spring creeks and beaver ponds. Our favorite pastime was hiking through alder and cedar thicket to find small creeks full of rainbows, cutthroats, and introduced brookies, to drown worms in, floating them under logs and cut banks, looking for that monster trout, which we rarely found. There was no "casting," no room, just gentle pitches and flicks between branches. Sometimes my grandma joined us, and though her health wouldn't let her follow us, she'd stay with the truck, picking nearby huckleberries, or just enjoying a hot afternoon along a cool, shady creek. There were mean range cows to avoid, elk and deer to jump, ruffed grouse to give you a heart attack, and occasionally a bear, rearing up on his hind legs to see what just woke his nap. It was the setting in which I built a love for the outdoors and my grandparents. We spread their ashes along those same reaches, reaches of clean, cold trout habitat now destined for someone else's investment portfolio.
The thing I longed for most as a middle schooler was the chance to take a few days out of school and join my grandfather at our family's elk hunting camp. It wasn't much, but 3 canvas or blue-tarp pole tents, and another half dozen trailers parked at the edge of a series of meadows along a FS road. But the allure of a wood stove in the tent, of chasing elk, of being one of the "guys," was excruciating to have to miss. Once I was finally allowed to go, it was such a memorable experience, I can't describe what it meant for me, but I know there was nothing else I looked forward to more. And while I never got an elk there (the camp dissolved as my grandfather's generation quit hunting), honestly, hardly anyone ever even saw elk, it is still a place I hold very dear to my heart.
The thing I longed for most as a middle schooler was the chance to take a few days out of school and join my grandfather at our family's elk hunting camp. It wasn't much, but 3 canvas or blue-tarp pole tents, and another half dozen trailers parked at the edge of a series of meadows along a FS road. But the allure of a wood stove in the tent, of chasing elk, of being one of the "guys," was excruciating to have to miss. Once I was finally allowed to go, it was such a memorable experience, I can't describe what it meant for me, but I know there was nothing else I looked forward to more. And while I never got an elk there (the camp dissolved as my grandfather's generation quit hunting), honestly, hardly anyone ever even saw elk, it is still a place I hold very dear to my heart.
@Irrelevant - Does Dan Newhouse's boundary include you? He is on the Public Land Caucus in the House. Hopefully he hears from people to join with Zinke and Simpson if this land sale proposal gets out of the Senate and over to the House.
Irrelevant
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Not anymore. We moved out of his district about 7 years ago. Though occasionally I lie and still claim my old address.
Pucky Freak
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Lots…multiple WY pronghorn hunts, 3 elk hunts, deer, small game, numerous camping, backpacking, and fishing trips.
