or instruction and education. If any of my kids couldn't be trusted I might lock up my guns. However, since they have all been educated and instructed and actually parented instead of being their friend my handgun sits loaded in my closet in case they need it to defend themselves.Sometimes good parenting means reducing or eliminating access to things like guns, car keys, alcohol, etc.
Gun laws would not have prevented the shooting, but good parenting would have. I know people who have kids at that school, and by many accounts the older kid showed sociopathic tendencies. The parents should have recognized his behavior issues and made sure the firearms were not available at all, either in a safe he didn't have access to or out of the house entirely, they should have stepped up and acted like his parents and not just his caretakers. It's very clear that AGAIN, warning signs were ignored and/or missed by the people closest to the perpetrators, sadly it is the common theme in most of these school shootings.3. Also there was another school shooting in CO, my cousins live in that neighborhood. I think like a lot of people I'm a little unsure what an actual solution is... as a sportsman/gun owner I certainly feel a bit pissed about the fact that our current gun laws are rarely enforced... see straw buying comment above and I wish as part of their defense of the 2A orgs like the NRA would actually lobby for better enforcement (not the BS lip-service you occasionally hear). I think if you make the personal freedom/libertarian/responsibility argument towards guns then you also need to own the consequences of ownership... meaning if a minor in your house uses your firearm to commit a crime you get hammered. I think the parents of a school shooter absolutely deserve to get hit with accessory to murder, not sure if that's the correct charge... vikingsguy or one of our other legal experts can jump in and correct me.
Like I said... just some thoughts as always open to listening to counter arguments or positions
Not buying it. Some of the most underhanded people I've ever met and dealt with never miss church on Sunday. Apparently they think thumping the bible on Sunday means they can do what they want the rest of the week.Since this keeps going many different directions and people seem to want an answer to all the troubles of the world, I will just go out on a limb and call it what it is in my eyes. Sin! - that's the broadstroke problem, the broadstroke solution is raising our entire families in a Godly manner. Look back 30 years ago when there wasn't all these shootings. More people held Sunday as sacred and worshipped together. You can blame a lot of things, social media, kids sporting events, many other distractions, even our hunting addictions, we all turn these things into our gods, putting them first in our lives. In my eyes it all leads back to families don't worship together like they used to. People tend to make up their own rules as to what it right for THEM if they don't have God's laws as a basis. When we all make up our own rules as we go, nobody can tell us what is right and wrong because if it's right for me then it must be OK. There you have it, punching out and headed to church with my bride. Peace be with you all.
Even though it pains me greatly, I agree with general premise of the above statements. My wife is a licensed pastor, and she would also likely agree with most of this. One of her biggest struggles early on was she expected life to be different working in ministry. She quickly found out it wasn't really all that different from the secular world, and she had a difficult time reconciling with that.Not buying it. Some of the most underhanded people I've ever met and dealt with never miss church on Sunday. Apparently they think thumping the bible on Sunday means they can do what they want the rest of the week.
I think for some folks, they need a reason to be "good" people and they find that direction with Church/religion. That's fine, but to imply that you aren't a good person if you don't attend church, well, that's the very reason I wont ever be a very religious person. That only confirms the very reason that people aren't attending church like they have in the past...tired of the "holier than thou" attitude.
I agree completely.As to the reason why kids shoot up schools...it happens, that's why. There is just a certain segment of any population that are half a bubble off plumb. Church wont fix it. The US citizens don't have the stomach for any kind of gun laws. They have no stomach for paying for mental health care, more school counselors, more school guards. Just listen to the bitching and complaining about teacher salaries, the cost of education, high taxes, teachers Unions, teacher benefits, and on and on. That's the way people "talk" that care about finding a solution? Not in my opinion. Sound more concerned with saving a few dollars at tax time to me.
Regardless of political affiliation, I've yet to really see anything that struck me as "this person has some great ideas on this". Same shit. Universal background checks will solve everything/be the end of the Constitution, high capacity magazines are the root of all evil/are my God given right, Any black semi automatic firearm is a sign of pending apocalypse/signifies 'Murica.So, like I've said in the past, just keep building caskets...that's the only current solution that most are willing to take on to solve the problem.