Generosity to non-residents

[BuzzH]

I quess your special interest is Public Land Hunting….. So is mine…. I do enjoy a good debate without any name calling….

When there isn't a debate to be had?

 

[BuzzH]

The Bill was introduced in the Senate and the House, according to. The Government Website it NEVER PASSED AND BECAME LAW… only introduced"………………..

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[Muledeerchaser]

It passed.

That simple.

Care to make a wager or do you need more time to look it up?

Can you provide documentation

 

[BuzzH]

Can you provide documentation

Already did P.L. 109-113 passed on a defense appropriations bill amendment.

Anything else?

 

[Muledeerchaser]

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Thanks it did pass, not as a stand a lone bill but rolled up in the defense bill

 

[BuzzH]

Thanks it did pass, not as a stand a lone bill but rolled up in the defense bill

Point is it passed, which you claimed it didn't.

Many responding to your unfounded claims remember why this law was passed. See the post JLS took the time to post. Now read it twice.

 

[Muledeerchaser]

Already did P.L. 109-113 passed on a defense appropriations bill amendment.

Anything else?

Quote. As far as the United States Supreme Court jurisprudence is concerned, the State Public Trust ownership of fish and wildlife survives today although with some limits on it , such as the Commerce Clause, the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Ammendment, the Property Clause and the Supremacy Clause……..

 

[BuzzH]

Quote. As far as the United States Supreme Court jurisprudence is concerned, the State Public Trust ownership of fish and wildlife survives today although with some limits on it , such as the Commerce Clause, the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Ammendment, the Property Clause and the Supremacy Clause……..

Commerce clause no longer applies now does it? Unless you have plans to appeal s.339, or haven't the slightest clue what that law did.

Might want to read Randy's post a couple more times as well and look up a few more things.

Good grief.

 

[BuzzH]

Quote. As far as the United States Supreme Court jurisprudence is concerned, the State Public Trust ownership of fish and wildlife survives today although with some limits on it , such as the Commerce Clause, the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Ammendment, the Property Clause and the Supremacy Clause……..

 

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SCHUTZ v. U.S. Outfitters, Inc., Jean Taulman, Lawrence Montoya, Filiberto Valerio, International Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies, Amici Curiae. (2005) | FindLaw

Case opinion for US 10th Circuit SCHUTZ v. U.S. Outfitters, Inc., Jean Taulman, Lawrence Montoya, Filiberto Valerio, International Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies, Amici Curiae.. Read the Court's full decision on FindLaw.

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As to the merits, (a) we affirm the district court's dismissal of the statutory challenges on equal protection grounds, and (b) regarding the dormant Commerce Clause claim, we find that it is moot in light of Section 6063 of House Bill 1268, approved by the United States Congress and signed into law on May 10, 2005.

 

[Muledeerchaser]

Good to Know

 

[old270hunter]

Not sure about other states, but if you look at the post draw rifle numbers in COLORADO for deer, you will see that for ANY excellent unit, and any good/decent unit, RESIDENTS do draw more tags and with less preference points than non residents. In some cases by a 10-1 margin, but a lot of units are 4-1, 3-1 or 2-1 (the ratio gap closes as the desirability of the unit goes down). Add in the landowner tags, which for most purposes are resident tags for their profit and it's pretty easy to see the residents are preferred. This is as it should be. I don't see this as overly generous to non residents at all. Residents should draw the lion's share of the tags, and in COLORADO for rifle deer, they DO! If you look at the post draw data and still think residents are not preferred, math may not be your biggest problem. This is for deer draw rifle tags for ALL the decent or better units, ALL of them. No doubt once B tags get mixed in, 2nd draw, leftovers, undesirable deer units, etc the numbers move around a bit statewide. But just looking at overall statewide numbers is VERY misleading. So I don't see "generosity" being given to NR hunters.

 

[BuzzH]

Not sure about other states, but if you look at the post draw rifle numbers in COLORADO for deer, you will see that for ANY excellent unit, and any good/decent unit, RESIDENTS do draw more tags and with less preference points than non residents. In some cases by a 10-1 margin, but a lot of units are 4-1, 3-1 or 2-1 (the ratio gap closes as the desirability of the unit goes down). Add in the landowner tags, which for most purposes are resident tags for their profit and it's pretty easy to see the residents are preferred. This is as it should be. I don't see this as overly generous to non residents at all. Residents should draw the lion's share of the tags, and in COLORADO for rifle deer, they DO! If you look at the post draw data and still think residents are not preferred, math may not be your biggest problem. This is for deer draw rifle tags for ALL the decent or better units, ALL of them. No doubt once B tags get mixed in, 2nd draw, leftovers, undesirable deer units, etc the numbers move around a bit statewide. But just looking at overall statewide numbers is VERY misleading. So I don't see "generosity" being given to NR hunters.

Well, since states have no obligation to issue a single NR tag, I'd say Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Arizona, etc. are pretty darn generous.

Can't even fathom the whining if States decided they didn't want to issue any NR tags.

 

[old270hunter]

Well, since states have no obligation to issue a single NR tag, I'd say Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Arizona, etc. are pretty darn generous.

Can't even fathom the whining if States decided they didn't want to issue any NR tags.

Ok. I'm way off base. Feelings rule over facts, my bad.

 

[runningmt]

Ok. I'm way off base. Feelings rule over facts, my bad.

10%, which most western states offer to NR, is pretty generous.

Just out of curiosity, what % would you consider generous?

 

[old270hunter]

10%, which most western states offer to NR, is pretty generous.

Just out of curiosity, what % would you consider generous?

The point I'm making is that residents have a significant advantage, and DO get the best tags and for the least amount of points. The design appears to work, as it should. To make a point that no out of state hunters should hunt in any given state is just ridiculous and is pure emotion from the uninformed. There are no states that restrict hunting and fishing to residents only.

Take a look at the results and see what you think. https://cpw.state.co.us/Documents/Hunting/BigGame/Statistics/Deer/2022DeerDrawRecap.pdf

 

[BuzzH]

The point I'm making is that residents have a significant advantage, and DO get the best tags and for the least amount of points. The design appears to work, as it should. To make a point that no out of state hunters should hunt in any given state is just ridiculous and is pure emotion from the uninformed. There are no states that restrict hunting and fishing to residents only.

Take a look at the results and see what you think. https://cpw.state.co.us/Documents/Hunting/BigGame/Statistics/Deer/2022DeerDrawRecap.pdf

Bolded part, you sure about that?

How did that NR North Dakota Moose application work out for you this year?

They issue about the same number of Moose tags as Wyoming, some years more.

South Dakota Goat and sheep?

https://gfp.sd.gov/userdocs/docs/2022bhsheepmtgoat-app.pdf