Quintessential Western Whitetail?

I have only a couple WT hunts here in the West. iD and MT.

I have always wanted to do a Snake River/Clearwater river hunt in Idaho. MT mountain hunt in the Western half, WY/SD Blacks Hills mountain hunt. Those are in my mind the “ bucket list” hunts for western Whitetail.

Question I have is what expectations for mature western whitetails? 8 point? 10 point? My goal is a mature, heavy mass, 18-20” wide, equal tine rack.
 
I have only a couple WT hunts here in the West. iD and MT.

I have always wanted to do a Snake River/Clearwater river hunt in Idaho. MT mountain hunt in the Western half, WY/SD Blacks Hills mountain hunt. Those are in my mind the “ bucket list” hunts for western Whitetail.

Question I have is what expectations for mature western whitetails? 8 point? 10 point? My goal is a mature, heavy mass, 18-20” wide, equal tine rack.
I’d say the vast majority of what Idaho locals call big bucks are two year olds that might be 75 inch bucks

There are some really strong 4 point genetics in the Clearwater region. Passing on bucks over 120 or so is a great way to eat a tag, especially on public. Ehd this year and in 2021 has really hammered deer numbers
 
What would be a quintessential whitetail hunt in the West?

For elk it would be Wall tents and pack horses with bugling bulls

For mule deer glassing sage covered basins and long stalks.

Sheep is a backpack hunt above timberline

What is the Western Whitetail version?
Rolling grassy hills with brushy bottoms leading to a major river system. Catching a big whitetail out in this country as he is heading back to cover at first light. The big bucks do some crazy, crafty things that never gets dull! They usually win too!
 
Quintessential: Representing the typical example of a quality or class, embodying the pure, essential nature of something:

I am not a great deer hunter or hunter at all, but after 20+ years of shooting mule deer every year I am on year 6 of shooting just whitetails in Western Montana. Western MT and MT in general has great river bottom hunting, but when I think of "Western Whitetail", I think of a kind of hunting that is different than what's available in most of the rest of the U.S. Basically, forested mountain geography west of the continental divide. I know that technically that's just a subset of what western whitetail could be.

A few things.

-Nameless Deer
-Timber
-Mountains
-Hunting amongst predators (wolf,lion,griz)
-Logging roads
-Short (<100 yds) shots
-A lack of sagebrush
-The smell of conifers
-A lack of other hunters on foot

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Quintessential: Representing the typical example of a quality or class, embodying the pure, essential nature of something:

I am not a great deer hunter or hunter at all, but after 20+ years of shooting mule deer every year I am on year 6 of shooting just whitetails in Western Montana. Western MT and MT in general has great river bottom hunting, but when I think of "Western Whitetail", I think of a kind of hunting that is different than what's available in most of the rest of the U.S. Basically, forested mountain geography west of the continental divide. I know that technically that's just a subset of what western whitetail could be.

A few things.

-Nameless Deer
-Timber
-Mountains
-Hunting amongst predators (wolf,lion,griz)
-Logging roads
-Short (<100 yds) shots
-A lack of sagebrush
-The smell of conifers
-A lack of other hunters on foot

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Your photo made me feel a bit nostalgic....like I should take a break from composite stocks and return to wood .
 
To be the quintessential western WT hunt is in the river bottoms next to fields in a small section of public.

You watch a flock of turkeys feed and wish they were deer instead.

Then you see a whitetail buck appear randomly out of nowhere across the river under 150 yards.

Lay the hammer on it.

Going to cross the river a pheasant will jumpscare you in route to the other side.

You slip at some point in the river & get wet or have water go over your boot - Either way you have river cold feet. Cold wet feet is essential for the quintessential western whitetail hunt.

After crossing the river you spend the next 20 minutes looking for the deer through hellish brush and finally discover that the deer was only 25 yards away from you hidden in plain sight.

You feel dumb trying to track a deer through whacky brush only to have it next to you in an easy to access area.

You gut it and drag it across the river to the truck. During the drag, you hear the chukars laughing at you from the hill side.

You vow revenge on the chukars for laughing at you and when you return with the dog, you only find deer in the area.
 
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