If one reason is better enforcement of game and fish laws I would be curious how many residents were cited for big game violations in wilderness areas during the same time period. My guess is it was more than twelveFor purpose of:
1.) Proper Game Management
2.) Protection of hunter welfare and safety
3.) better enforcement of game and fish laws
2018 Wyoming Statutes :: TITLE 23 - GAME AND FISH :: CHAPTER 2 - LICENSES; FEES :: ARTICLE 4 - GUIDES AND OUTFITTERS :: SECTION 23-2-401 - Guides required; exceptions; issuance of resident guide license.
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Was being a bit snarky...
FOIA - $150 WY NR Wilderness Rule Fine amount; WY 23-2-401(a)
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That's a dangerous law if you read into it more it says that the commission can require guides or resident guides for other areas or species if its thinks is necessary so that law is not just wilderness area they could go statewide if the wanted to or require a guide for the big 5 surprised wyoga hasn't tried to use that yetFor purpose of:
1.) Proper Game Management
2.) Protection of hunter welfare and safety
3.) better enforcement of game and fish laws
2018 Wyoming Statutes :: TITLE 23 - GAME AND FISH :: CHAPTER 2 - LICENSES; FEES :: ARTICLE 4 - GUIDES AND OUTFITTERS :: SECTION 23-2-401 - Guides required; exceptions; issuance of resident guide license.
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Was being a bit snarky...
At one time I believe all NR hunters had to use an outfitter or guide in Wyoming for big game.
An interesting read including portions directly related to, "the safety of nonresidents" as the specific reason.
One example, used in this Meateater article:
"The law remained in place until 1973, when theSchakel v. State of Wyoming case found it was discriminatory to prevent non-resident hunters from accessing public lands administered by the federal government.
The court also determined the safety of non-resident hunters was not a legitimate basis for enforcing the law, stating, “An examination of the statute demonstrates that it can have little if any relationship to such objective. The dangers to a hunter of antelope would seem as great as to a hunter of deer. We can see no manner in which it would be any less dangerous for an antelope hunter than a deer hunter in the same area at the same time.”"
MeatEater Opinion: The West’s Worst Hunting Law
A few years back, shortly after our family moved into a new home, I killed a cow elk in the federally designated wilderness area just a mile from my back door. It wasn’t until after I had notched my tag, quartered the elk and packed the meat down the mountain that I realized how lucky I was to...
$50 = inflation?
This was from 1984. It's plausible considering there is record of a fraction of a charge... I mean fine for his hunt.[¶1.] Keiran W. O'Brien (appellant) was convicted, and fined $100 by a justice of the peace for Park County, on January 18, 1984, of hunting in a federal wilderness area unaccompanied by a licensed professional guide or resident guide, in violation of W.S. 23-2-401(a) and (b).1
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Tell them that you do NOT need new data collected on this, but you just want the exact same information forwarded to you that they sent out to the original requestor on 8/29/2022, 2:37pm.
I could post the PDFs of all 12 LEO reports but those reports contain the names and addresses of those twelve horrible law violators. Obtaining the reports directly from WGF should alleviate your concern that I have altered data.
Been saying that all along. I live really close to wilderness area here and don't hunt it.
Kind of like when you go to your favorite restaurant and order, but while waiting the table next to you gets their food and you think: Man I wish I would have ordered that.
In sales it is called the "takeaway", ie: Well Mr. _______, I'm not sure if this is for you or "Mr.______ I am not sure if we can make this happen.
People always want what they can't have, whether it is needed/better or not.
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brocksw
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Are you an outfitter? Why would you be so supportive of this nonsensical law?
appaloosa
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I'm not an outfitter.
I didn't say I supported it, in fact I said I didn't care for it. I was just questioning his argument that he needed to be able to hunt big game inside a wilderness area in Wyoming to fully appreciate it.
My broader point is that Wyoming gives nonresidents as much or more opportunities than any other state in the US, yet they constantly beat this horse to death. It's like some weird FOMO syndrome or something.
I didn't say I supported it, in fact I said I didn't care for it. I was just questioning his argument that he needed to be able to hunt big game inside a wilderness area in Wyoming to fully appreciate it.
My broader point is that Wyoming gives nonresidents as much or more opportunities than any other state in the US, yet they constantly beat this horse to death. It's like some weird FOMO syndrome or something.
So I cant hunt wilderness area in WY without a guide as a NR, for my safety or lack of understanding of the law or whatever excuse…. But in the next breath I can buy land in WY, move, and go hunt there next year as a resident. All of a sudden those magical excuses of why I cant hunt wilderness go away. Got it. Careful what ya wish for…. Those pesky californian’s might just be your new neighbor so they can hunt the “special” places.
If I held a NR tag that has wilderness in the zone Id hunt it if I wanted to, fine or no fine. If Im outside the wilderness by 1 foot and the elk is 100 yards inside the wilderness, im shooting it…. WY could zone it differently cause I have a problem with paying for a tag that covers an area that is federally funded by my tax dollars, then being told im not capable of my own safety or lack intelligence to understand regulations to safely? hunt there. Its ridiculously silly and I know its not changing anytime soon.
If I held a NR tag that has wilderness in the zone Id hunt it if I wanted to, fine or no fine. If Im outside the wilderness by 1 foot and the elk is 100 yards inside the wilderness, im shooting it…. WY could zone it differently cause I have a problem with paying for a tag that covers an area that is federally funded by my tax dollars, then being told im not capable of my own safety or lack intelligence to understand regulations to safely? hunt there. Its ridiculously silly and I know its not changing anytime soon.
Actually I don't care if it is your favorite restaurant, I have decided you are not welcome to eat here. Go across the street.
Absolutely. I sat on these FOIA results for 6 weeks pondering the pros and cons of sharing.
In the end, I felt the public interest weighed in favor of disclosure.
brocksw
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So you don't support it, but you like it, want it to stay and don't think NRs have a right to bitch about not being able to hunt the land their tax money pays for? You see the contradiction right? How can you hold both stances?
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PrairieHunter
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The Californians who move here leave after the first winter in most cases.
Other states have rules for NR's hunting public land. Look up South Dakota. They have had all sorts of fun laws like not allowing NR's to hunt public land for the first week of the season, NR's not allowed to deer hunt public land, etc...
I would support a system where Colorado and California people were not allowed to hunt/fish public land without a outfitter on certain days of the week, first part of the season, and had to pay more than other NR"s for tags, camping, licenses, etc. Including rewards for catching the California and Colorado folks breaking the rules including getting their tags, gun, gear, and a cash fine they have to pay or go to jail for 48 hours.
appaloosa
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Whatever makes you happy bro. If pounding away on a computer keyboard helps take the pain away, keep at it. When you're done beating this horse you can take your fight to Alaska. Good luck.
brocksw
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non sequitur
BuzzH
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About those tax dollars you spend on wilderness management do you want your 3 pennies all at once or in 3 monthly installments?
Would be nice if you didn't choose the installments, postage sending a penny a month gets expensive.
brocksw
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The whole is more than the sum of its parts.
