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Camping trip incident

There is no good solution to these things. I think you did great. What you did is about all you can do unless you want to escalate and get into a gun fight...then what, over a camp ground
Agree with the others. keep it concealed and do not bring it out unless you are sure you're going to die. then fight to the death.
 
Start with a good striker fired 9mm for sure, and I’d recommend the 43X. It’s small enough to conceal under a t shirt but big enough to be easy to handle and shoot accurately. You want something practical, effective, and easy to shoot and learn with. It will work just fine for bear defense too. If you want to add a full size 10mm, .357, or .44 mag for a dedicated mountain gun later that’s great, but I’d still start with a good 9mm.
 
Forkyfinder said:
Id get a full size 10mm and a concealed carry model in 9mm. Lots of companies make reliable ones. Put a light on the gun for the woods/hunting.

A small pistol in 10mm is a handful.

Wife should now see the justification. Make it into 2 guns 😁
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G43x & G20
 
Sorry for your family's experience. You did the right thing by walking away. Lots of good advice. I would only add look a USCCA and different levels of membership. In case you ever have the need to use a firearm in a situation, they give great support. And, there is lots of training available on their website. Also, their last magazine's front cover says "The best fight is the one you're not in". Good luck with your search.
 
Irrelevant said:
After thinking about this for a while, I thought I would run a situation I found myself in by the HT crowd and get your thoughts.

Boat-in camping over Memorial Day weekend. Have 4 of 6 sites taken with our group, two fams, 4 adults, 4 kids (7-14). Another group shows up at 4 pm and takes a spot. Nice people in their 40s. Just as it's starting to get dark, 815, another boat comes flying around both sides of the spit the campground is on. Never pulls into the dock, never checks to see if there are any spots. Proceeds to run his jet boat up onto the shore, directly in front of my wifes and I tent (<50ft away), on top of my kid's homemade raft (with bright green straps), and starts playing AC/DC as loud as possible while building a fire on the beach. We all just kinda stare at the guy with a WTF are you doing look. He probably overhears us complain/remark about him being an ass. I'm like level 10 pissed. This isn't what you do in a wilderness setting. Then the guy pulls out a handgun and starts shooting at rocks and logs. Not shooting directly at us, but the ricochets are going everywhere. At one point, he stares at my buddy's wife while he's shooting off the side of the boat (90 degs off). Our group is unarmed. We don't have cell reception to call the sheriff, and it's not an inreach button type of situation (at least I don't perceive it to be). We huddle up. My buddy initially suggested just waiting him out and keeping our heads down. I voted for someone to go down lake and call the law. But within a few minutes, and another round of shots, we elect to just leave as a group. We leave all of our camping and sleeping stuff as it's just about dark and just get the #*^@#* out. I checked in with the other group before we left. They thought it was fireworks, but after I told them it was a gun, they said they'd stay as they also had a handgun on them.

Returning to the boat ramp, I call the non-emergency line and tell the operator, then a deputy, the situation. They said they'd check it out if they could arrange backup. We then drive the hr home and in the morning drive the hour back, launch the boat and head to camp. The guy is gone. None of our shit is messed with.

The rest of the weekend goes great.

Questions:
1. Did I overreact?
2. Should I go get a handgun (I don't have any)?
3. Would it have helped or hurt in the situation?
4. How big of a deal is it that the Sheriff never came?
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Wow, the guy was not all there I would say, crappy situation, I think you handled it correctly particularly with kids involved. You got me going on this; heading out next Monday for a week of boat in camping in your neck of the woods sure hope we do not see this jerk!
I do carry when we are camping and such, peace of mind for me.
 
The_Jim said:
I think your mindset with carrying isn't quite right. There is a 50% chance you won't be the winner in that gunfight and if you were to be the "winner" do you really want to live with that the rest of your life?

I carry when I'm with my family a fair amount of the time. I ignored states that don't reciprocate with mine because it is so important to me, but I've always wondered if I would even be able to pull the trigger to take another man's life if it came down to that. As much as people can suck, avoiding that conflict is always going to be my priority.
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If you have doubts about being able to pull the trigger you should stop carrying or never pull it out.
 
Irrelevant said:
Ok, you've all made me feel better. Thanks for the free therapy sess.

Now...?
1. small and portable, something for concealed carry and or backpacking/hunting. Pro: small enough I might actually bring it places, no worries about WA dumb 10 round rule. Con: not good for grizz, probably not that accurate.
2. normal size just for car/boat camping, common cartridge. Pro: better accuracy, ease of shooting, cheaper. Con: not small, make get left behind more.
3. 10mm auto for grizz, or anything else that crosses my path. Pro: all the gun needed for anything Con: heavier, spendy, more recoil than I would want, can't get more than a 10 round mag.
4. wheel gun, 45 or 357. Pro: always goes bang, potentially better accuracy, looks cool Con: very heavy, intense recoil, probably not actually going to take it very many places.
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Best thing you can do is go shoot them all and make your own decision. With that said, a Glock slim 48, sig 9mm macro comp or an sig xten comp.
 
El Jason said:
Going back the same night would have been an infinitely poor choice.

You did good.
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Not to mention that he might be in handcuffs should it escalate. Even in Stand your ground states, it gets really squishy when you retreat from the situation and then come back armed and with help. Even if legal, I don’t want that story to be sent to a jury. Let me know your opinion on that. I’m curious.

He did the right thing. IMO, Always walk away from the situation when you can.
 
SAJ-99 said:
Not to mention that he might be in handcuffs should it escalate. Even in Stand your ground states, it gets really squishy when you retreat from the situation and then come back armed and with help. Even if legal, I don’t want that story to be sent to a jury. Let me know your opinion on that. I’m curious.

He did the right thing. IMO, Always walk away from the situation when you can.
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Even if you win your criminal case, the civil suit will be very difficult to win.
 
Irrelevant said:
After thinking about this for a while, I thought I would run a situation I found myself in by the HT crowd and get your thoughts.

Boat-in camping over Memorial Day weekend. Have 4 of 6 sites taken with our group, two fams, 4 adults, 4 kids (7-14). Another group shows up at 4 pm and takes a spot. Nice people in their 40s. Just as it's starting to get dark, 815, another boat comes flying around both sides of the spit the campground is on. Never pulls into the dock, never checks to see if there are any spots. Proceeds to run his jet boat up onto the shore, directly in front of my wifes and I tent (<50ft away), on top of my kid's homemade raft (with bright green straps), and starts playing AC/DC as loud as possible while building a fire on the beach. We all just kinda stare at the guy with a WTF are you doing look. He probably overhears us complain/remark about him being an ass. I'm like level 10 pissed. This isn't what you do in a wilderness setting. Then the guy pulls out a handgun and starts shooting at rocks and logs. Not shooting directly at us, but the ricochets are going everywhere. At one point, he stares at my buddy's wife while he's shooting off the side of the boat (90 degs off). Our group is unarmed. We don't have cell reception to call the sheriff, and it's not an inreach button type of situation (at least I don't perceive it to be). We huddle up. My buddy initially suggested just waiting him out and keeping our heads down. I voted for someone to go down lake and call the law. But within a few minutes, and another round of shots, we elect to just leave as a group. We leave all of our camping and sleeping stuff as it's just about dark and just get the #*^@#* out. I checked in with the other group before we left. They thought it was fireworks, but after I told them it was a gun, they said they'd stay as they also had a handgun on them.

Returning to the boat ramp, I call the non-emergency line and tell the operator, then a deputy, the situation. They said they'd check it out if they could arrange backup. We then drive the hr home and in the morning drive the hour back, launch the boat and head to camp. The guy is gone. None of our shit is messed with.

The rest of the weekend goes great.

Questions:
1. Did I overreact?
2. Should I go get a handgun (I don't have any)?
3. Would it have helped or hurt in the situation?
4. How big of a deal is it that the Sheriff never came?
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I think you did great. I carry a handgun in most outdoor situations but what you did worked better in your situation than confrontation would have.
Honestly you handled the situation better than I would have and possibly had better results. I absolutely would have confronted him and if I thought I could I would have taken the gun from him by force if I didn't think I was able to do that I would have left and called 911.
What you did was best for your family. It really sucks that they were exposed to this level of stupid but it's can be used as a teaching event. You probably minimized the emotional damage your family received.
I tell my kids we are going to run into assholes and window lickers in almost every environment throughout our lives. We need to learn strategies to deal with them.
Talk openly with the family about any anxiety related to the situation you don't need kids bottling that up and being scared of a nice camping trip.
 
Was he an anal sphincter? Yes, but not a direct threat to you and family. I believe your decision was 100% correct for the circumstances you described. Kenny Rogers "know when to hold them and know when to fold them". Was your trip ruined? Yes. We all want to think we can control this kind of situation but we can't. Do what you can control to insure safety of yourself and family. Live to camp another day. Nobody knows how many cards were missing from his deck so any interaction can result in less than desired results. It was also a learning experience on how to deal with a bad situation with family safety number 1.

It's unfortunate no response from LE but that's when family safety is paramount. However, any direct threat with firearm becomes all bets off and do whatever is needed to do to protect.
 
Another thought on the entire thing is even if you hade been packing would you want your kids to see you pull a pistol on a guy? I remember my grandpa doing it once that’s the kinda thing you don’t forget
 
Elkmagnet said:
Talk openly with the family about any anxiety related to the situation you don't need kids bottling that up and being scared of a nice camping trip.
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We had an open discussion amongst the adults before we elected to leave about the concerns, potential outcomes, the pros, cons, and what-abouts for each alternative. The kids were all there, circled up with us, so they understood what decisions were made and why.
cgasner1 said:
Another thought on the entire thing is even if you hade been packing would you want your kids to see you pull a pistol on a guy? I remember my grandpa doing it once that’s the kinda thing you don’t forget
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no. Definitely not.
 
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