Wow, thank you for the compliment. I had never heard of Charles J Alsheimer until your post. There are many people in this forum that have tremendous outdoor knowledge. For myself the people that raised me in the Upper Peninsula were all very close to nature. My grandmother went through the depression in Superior Wisconsin. Her abilities for hunting small game and gathering wild fruits and berries helped the family survive some tough times. This behavior was passed down to my uncle and father. My uncle progressed his passion to become a professor of biology and wildlife management. My father became a high school teacher of science with an emphasis in geography and wildlife. He taught the wildlife biology and the geography relationship for the animals and life cycles. It was pretty easy for me to grow up with these three people and learn and develop an interest for learning more. At about the age of 12 I started helping my uncle and some of his graduate student with projects. I would help my dad with many of his teaching props. The big one was what he called the brush talk. We would go out and get samples of vegetation and build a geographical West to East simulation of what the US has starting at the west coast, proceeding in elevation up the mountains, adiabatic process, precipitation, descending the mountains, grasslands, precipitation progression and vegetation changes as you move to the East coast. These learning opportunities really made it interesting growing up. I guess this just planted a seed for me to get a degree in conservation with and emphasis in ecology and biology. I have to say that there are many good people (hunters, trappers, and fishermen) that are members in this forum that have the same passions and learn from each other. This thread and others just prove it.