BuzzH
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Assistance, not food stamps. Also depends on whether single or more people in the household for food stamps.
Attack on the Feds independence
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WyoCoalMiner
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I referenced FS but yes there are numerous assistantance programs with various qualifications.
I would also say that attempting to raise a family on either $10 or $16/hr is irresponsible in today’s day and age. Work your way into a better job and a rainy day fund before you try to bring others into your situation. But that’s just me. YMMV
Carnage2011
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There are jobs and there are careers. People working in fast food or in some other low entry job should be trying to better their situation and developing a valuable skill. When you have no skills and are easy to replace…you’ll be paid accordingly.
BuzzH
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I would say that a business that only pays those wages in todays day and age is irresponsible as well.
To quote one of my favorite movies, "About this pickle we find ourselves in..."
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I just looked up Nevada's food stamp limits.
$5360 a month for a family of four. Thats just under $31 an hour.
I retired as a sergeant 2 years ago at about $32 per hour. My shift diff, OT, and standby kept me well above the limit for food stamps.
Had I not had much for any of the other extras, my family would have been quite close to food stamps.
There truly are plenty of jobs out there which are not fast food, entry level jobs, and raising a family with a stay at home parent is quite difficult. Now my wife works locally, and I get to be a stay at home dad.
As a side note, I was fighting the county for a couple years for increases in wages. It was quite a challenge. After I retired, the SO did finally unionize, and to my knowledge, the wages have improved since then.
$5360 a month for a family of four. Thats just under $31 an hour.
I retired as a sergeant 2 years ago at about $32 per hour. My shift diff, OT, and standby kept me well above the limit for food stamps.
Had I not had much for any of the other extras, my family would have been quite close to food stamps.
There truly are plenty of jobs out there which are not fast food, entry level jobs, and raising a family with a stay at home parent is quite difficult. Now my wife works locally, and I get to be a stay at home dad.
As a side note, I was fighting the county for a couple years for increases in wages. It was quite a challenge. After I retired, the SO did finally unionize, and to my knowledge, the wages have improved since then.
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Those jobs are a great choice for HS aged kids. Poor choice for an adult.
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In fantasy land - every full time job of any kind should be able to provide for a whole family
BuzzH
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Right, too bad adults, even senior citizens, do those jobs these days.
Wouldn't want those poor pharmaceutical companies to go broke. Granny just needs to get off her wrinkly ass and hit a lick.
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Adults can choose to work those jobs if they wish. Not sure why they would when there are much better, both pay and conditions, choices. But to each their own
rjthehunter
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Someone is dillusional.
$16 at McDonald's is starting. Assistant managers are between 40-50k, general managers up to $95k with bonus.
Most children grow out of the intense make-believe land by 7-8 years old.
$16 at McDonald's is starting. Assistant managers are between 40-50k, general managers up to $95k with bonus.
Most children grow out of the intense make-believe land by 7-8 years old.
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Any time I go into a fast food place, there are middle aged and often senior employees. I've never thought that they were there, solely by "choice". I've thought that for circumstances that I can't easily know, this is the job they were successfully hired to do.
It could well be that they just haven't succeeded in the competition for better jobs. Over forty years now, the job opening in the oil refinery laboratory attracted over 200 applicants. I was the person who was hired. The demand for really good jobs, far exceeds the supply. There are millions of people working at jobs that do not come close to utilizing their skills.
It is quite often that life makes our choices, as much as we make them.
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Interesting - is this a union job - or one where your individual abilities determine your salary?
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Why do you need to know?
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I don't. If the pay was proportional to the qualifications - I'm doubting you see that many applicants in today's world.
Kudos for you to being the one of 200 that was hired. I've never been lucky enough for something that.
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Stealing from the rich to make the poor feel better about themselves is not the answer, its not sustainable....it stifles innovation & growth....& truly does nothing to lift others up. Where is the incentive to improve if the ceiling is lowered to shin high, where it will be to make any difference at all.
I am not rich, I know what poverty is, I know what it is like to struggle for years.....but whatever I have, I earned over decades & I don't want it taken away from me because someone thinks I have too much.....you are ALWAYS going to have too much according to someone else. Who gets to decide where the line is?
Do you really want that decision to be made for you by the Government, by a committee that really has your best interest at heart?? (insert sarcasm here)
Now the other side is, that you can encourage , incentivize the wealthy to give their $$ away to worthy causes, but it should not be mandated by the black hole that is the government who has proven that they have no idea how to handle $$. you give them a dollar & they spend 1000.
Ronnie was a breath of fresh air after the disaster that was Carter, (nice man, horrible president) & he got a lot of things right but
fundamentally playing Robinhood is not one of them.
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I think that jobs like these are a fine choice for when life throws us a curveball. Happens to everyone at some time in life, it has to me. Just not a good long-term answer. Don't think they were ever intended to be a long-term answer to financial stability and a comfortable life. But rather short-term employment until something better comes along. This is also when the existing social safety net programs come into play. To assist while a person gets back on their feet.
My sympathies run short however, when a person decides they want to have no more than the fry-guy level of responsibility and skill for the rest of their working years but also wants more from others so that they can have a more comfortable life.
SaskHunter
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Hey USA, can you please do something about this?
Do you actually want war at your doorsteps? None of this will end well. This is serious.
Do you actually want war at your doorsteps? None of this will end well. This is serious.
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I am so tired of the constant barrage of bullshit from this administration. Not a single person in office has a spine.
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Without knowing the person fairly well, I don't know how one determines the motivations of the fry guy.
For a number of years, I was the Union Chairman for wage employees at the refinery. I also have a brother and sister who were senior management in in large corporations. I knew they were not motivated with nefarious intent. So, I made efforts to not assign evil intent concerning disagreements with the company. It is most often competing interests. A company and its employees have similar but not identical business interests.
So, absent proof, I will not assume the middle aged person working in the fast food industry, or a line cook at the restaurant is gaming the system.
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The hypocrisy in this thread makes my head hurt. Hate to tell you guys this but if you want to serve fries at McDonalds that called a job for a high school kid or even college kids working their way thru life. A career even at a fast food restaurant pays fairly decent. If someone is comfortable flipping burgers their entire life that’s their own fault for making 16 dollar a hour. I know for a fact that a 25 year old can own house and afford to hunt sheep every year if wanted. But that’s picking the right trade and wanting to succeed in life. I don’t understand wanting to reward mediocrity. People want to live their lives with a different kind of comfort that’s on them. I’ve argued with my wife about this her employer is lucky that she won’t listen to me per our last conversation I’m an asshole because of how I view her place of employment. I think her job is just fine but I believe my wife is great and could do better. She is happy though and that’s all that really matters.
