Attack on the Feds independence

[WyoCoalMiner]

Without knowing the person fairly well, I don't know how one determines the motivations of the fry guy.

For a number of years, I was the Union Chairman for wage employees at the refinery. I also have a brother and sister who were senior management in in large corporations. I knew they were not motivated with nefarious intent. So, I made efforts to not assign evil intent concerning disagreements with the company. It is most often competing interests. A company and its employees have similar but not identical business interests.

So, absent proof, I will not assume the middle aged person working in the fast food industry, or a line cook at the restaurant is gaming the system.

Not really picking up what you are putting down.

I do not care about the persons intent. Individuals can choose for themselves. We have existing social programs that work fine to assist with short term individual financial problems. Others want more programs or funds to cover long term individual financial deficiencies. I do not. No more, no less.

 

[406dn]

Not really picking up what you are putting down.

I do not care about the persons intent. Individuals can choose for themselves. We have existing social programs that work fine to assist with short term individual financial problems. Others want more programs or funds to cover long term individual financial deficiencies. I do not. No more, no less.

If you read your earlier post, you did assign intent. You said if a person wanted no more than fry level responsibility...

I don't think you can assume to know what the person wants. You are, imo, making an assumption that if they are working that job, that's where they want to be.

 

[cgasner1]

Haven't increased it for 7 years. Renters just signed another year lease so will be 8 years same rent. Currently about $250/month under market.

I don't need to milk every last dime out of everyone else, why I don't make a good business man, or Republican.

You should add that 7 years worth of rent up and call your renters and ask them if they would like to buy the house minus what they paid. You may not be milking more money out of them but you’re making money on it or I highly doubt you would own that house. People don’t seem to like to talk about that housing is expensive due to air Bnb and people like you owning multiple homes. I bet your dad didn’t own rental in the 70s. It’s hard for a first time home buyer when the people that do own homes own multiple.

 

[Forkyfinder]

If you read your earlier post, you did assign intent. You said if a person wanted no more than fry level responsibility...

I don't think you can assume to know what the person wants. You are, imo, making an assumption that if they are working that job, that's where they want to be.

Shouldn't the MCD employees unionize then?

That's what unions were originally for. Though it seems like they only protect existing well paid workers in and not workers who need it.

 

[cwitherow]

19 pages and as far as I can tell not a single moment of name-calling. LOTS of disagreement and strong opinions based on a wide variety of lived experiences yet we remain civil. One of the many reasons I enjoy this forum as much as I do.

 

[WyoCoalMiner]

You are, imo, making an assumption that if they are working that job, that's where they want to be.

No, that is where they chose to be.

 

[NDGuy]

You should add that 7 years worth of rent up and call your renters and ask them if they would like to buy the house minus what they paid. You may not be milking more money out of them but you’re making money on it or I highly doubt you would own that house. People don’t seem to like to talk about that housing is expensive due to air Bnb and people like you owning multiple homes. I bet your dad didn’t own rental in the 70s. It’s hard for a first time home buyer when the people that do own homes own multiple.

TBH it's much more a Blackrock problem vs folks owning 1 rental

 

[Forkyfinder]

It’s hard for a first time home buyer when the people that do own homes own multiple.

Ding ding ding.

The "corporations" buying up houses are mostly rich boomers.

 

[Forkyfinder]

TBH it's much more a Blackrock problem vs folks owning 1 rental

You have proof of that?

I've seen evidence that's contrary. See below - looks like rich boomers owning 3-9 homes and not "mega corps"

Home Investors Driving 2025 Housing Market Shift

Home investors are dominating the 2025 market as traditional buyers retreat amid high prices and interest rates.

www.credaily.com

 

[TOGIE]

Hey USA, can you please do something about this?

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Do you actually want war at your doorsteps? None of this will end well. This is serious.

you act like there is anything we can do.

there really isn't, at this point.

we're all kind stuck on the same runaway train.

 

[mevertsen]

No, that is where they chose to be.

I have to counter this.

In 2023 and 24 my wife went to college. Did some research beforehand and what program she had.

Finished her program in spring of 2024.

She could not find a job in that field.

Took a customer service job online that ate her alive mentally.

She finally went to work for a market as a cashier, 50 miles away.

My medical situation at the time prevented me from working at all. (I am currently waiting on approval from my retirement board to take a part time job at a library, which is the last place I thought I would ever work).

You can ask my wife anytime you want if she wanted to work as an online customer service agent or cashier at a market 50 miles away.

The answer is a very serious "NO"

However, things worked out over this spring and summer, and she ended up getting a job at the local clinic where she is now.

She likes the job, wants to be there, and is feeling satisfied in what she does.

It is absolutely wrong to judge someone by where they are working, and assume everyone wants to be where they are, and assuming that just because thats where they are, that's where they will always be.

Another reality is that there are far fewer people who halve the mental and physical ability to work in the higher positions than we would like to believe.

The reality is bills need to be paid. And people will do what they NEED to do more so than what they WANT to do.

I see a lot of confirmation bias with a lot of people.

"It worked for me, therefore it should work for everyone else" is not a winning strategy, and is not reality for a lot of people.

 

[NDGuy]

You have proof of that?

I've seen evidence that's contrary. See below - looks like rich boomers owning 3-9 homes and not "mega corps"

Home Investors Driving 2025 Housing Market Shift

Home investors are dominating the 2025 market as traditional buyers retreat amid high prices and interest rates.

www.credaily.com

Thanks for the link, I should have said "investment firms/entities" vs Blackrock

A lot of LLCs with several very wealthy people backing purchases.

 

[Straight Arrow]

The reality is bills need to be paid. And people will do what they NEED to do more so than what they WANT to do.

That is so true of life. Unless someone has been unemployed through no fault of their own and for a prolonged period of time, they don't understand the reality of your statement.
'Glad your wife landed where she was more satisfied. Personally, 'don't think a library job would be that bad ... 'many good books, interesting book lovers to meet, and children to entertain and teach to love reading.

 

[TOGIE]

This debate about social dollars being used "to better folks situations" is not the debate that should be had and really feels like a red herring. Where wages should be is complicated and related, sure, but at a basic level there shouldn't be much question about whether or not society can pony up to provide the basic needs that need to be met to those that need it.

And that's what social programs/dollars in my view are meant to be, a societal floor, from healthcare to food. Meaning for the hundreds of thousands of reasons that folks might lose their ability to work, or didn't have it in the first place, or lose spouses, get discharged from the military with a barely functioning brain, whatever, that we as a society have decided that you will still have basic needs met as a human.

For the folks that need it there will be some that don't and manage to get it. Program oversight is the solution to that. But throwing those that need it to the wolves because boot strap bill says "#*^@#* em, work harder" is basically despicable.

 

[mevertsen]

That is so true of life. Unless someone has been unemployed through no fault of their own and for a prolonged period of time, they don't understand the reality of your statement.
'Glad your wife landed where she was more satisfied. Personally, 'don't think a library job would be that bad ... 'many good books, interesting book lovers to meet, and children to entertain and teach to love reading.

Oh it certainly won't be that bad.

But certainly not where I thought I would ever be. Considering what I did for my career.

 

[Forkyfinder]

Thanks for the link, I should have said "investment firms/entities" vs Blackrock

A lot of LLCs with several very wealthy people backing purchases.

Who you suppose owns those LLCs?

If I had to guess - boomers who paid a half eaten ham sandwich and some peanuts for the home they live in.

 

[SAJ-99]

TBH it's much more a Blackrock problem vs folks owning 1 rental

No. Individuals own far more rentals than the institutions. And Blackrock doesn’t own a single home. Blackstone is who you are probably thinking of.

 

[WyoCoalMiner]

I have to counter this.

In 2023 and 24 my wife went to college. Did some research beforehand and what program she had.

Finished her program in spring of 2024.

She could not find a job in that field.

Took a customer service job online that ate her alive mentally.

She finally went to work for a market as a cashier, 50 miles away.

My medical situation at the time prevented me from working at all. (I am currently waiting on approval from my retirement board to take a part time job at a library, which is the last place I thought I would ever work).

You can ask my wife anytime you want if she wanted to work as an online customer service agent or cashier at a market 50 miles away.

The answer is a very serious "NO"

However, things worked out over this spring and summer, and she ended up getting a job at the local clinic where she is now.

She likes the job, wants to be there, and is feeling satisfied in what she does.

Bingo! Short term solution until something better came along. Great real-life example to illustrate my thoughts.

It is absolutely wrong to judge someone by where they are working, and assume everyone wants to be where they are, and assuming that just because thats where they are, that's where they will always be.

I am not judging anyone. They are free to choose as they see fit. I do not care how long they choose to work a low wage job. That choice is up to them. Just don't think we need more assistance programs to boost the quality of life for people who choose to work low wage jobs long term. I think I said this earlier.

Another reality is that there are far fewer people who halve the mental and physical ability to work in the higher positions than we would like to believe.

Yes we do. And there are multiple programs already in place to assist those individuals, which I think is a good use of our tax dollars.

 

[Forkyfinder]

No. Individuals own far more rentals than the institutions. And Blackrock doesn’t own a single home. Blackstone is who you are probably thinking of.

Yeah.

Maybe we should write legislation against that? Make those who own second and third homes sell them, at a reasonable rate? Perhaps to the renter. That'd be some real redistribution that'd get at some real and tangible wealth redistribution.

Something tells me the rich liberals owning multiple homes won't like that kind of market intervention.

 

[The_Jim]

The last few pages are kind of my point in the right vs. left. Were arguing about how much the guy at McDonalds should make but every time uncle sam prints more money we all get poorer. We get more debt and more war regardless of who's in power and were all fighting over minimum wage...