Attack on the Feds independence

[TOGIE]

Appears Murdoch's boys down at the Wall Street Journal aren't letting up on this stupid stunt. The Editorial Board has written this piece this morning and they are calling for some heads to roll.

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/jerome-powell-subpoena-federal-reserve-department-of-justice-donald-trump-bill-pulte-jeanine-pirro-b6913599?st=Z39faN&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

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Read that earlier. WSJ has not been easy on the admin recently.

Gotta say though, the editorial board would do themselves a favor to not lay all the blame on Pulte and Pirro - still reeks a bit of bootlicking IMO.

Trump is the man in charge.

 

[Big Fin]

Read that earlier. WSJ has not been easy on the admin recently.

Gotta say though, the editorial board would do themselves a favor to not lay all the blame on Pulte and Pirro - still reeks a bit of bootlicking IMO.

Trump is the man in charge.

Agree. Make you wonder if they're so afraid of him that they think they need to thread the needle on anything that is truthful and critical. The Editorial Board has some very smart people, many whom have at least one foot, sometimes both feet, in the world of policy/politics.

 

[406dn]

I don't think the average American realizes just how bad the rest of the world perceives the US right now, not just this administration, but the whole country. It will take years, if not decades, to bring things back the way they were and that's if things ever revert back.

We always figured threats to our sovereignty would come from Russia or China, who knew they'd be from our closest ally?!?! What an absolute gong-show!

You are not wrong. How long it takes to regain the trust of the rest of the world, depends on how bad it gets, in the end.

My horseback pointing dog field trialling has brought me to Canada many times. It is a wonderful country, with friendly people. I have many Canadian friends. This past spring, to a person, they were deeply insulted by the actions of the USA. Our actions since then have only made it worse. Presently we are threatening to take Greenland, the easy way or the hard way. I suspect that NATO is gone before too long.

I'm an old man @74. It will take much longer than my remaining years. I hope it might happen in my grandchildren's life.

 

[rogerthat]

My observation is the bootlickers are going to keep licking no matter what. Theres no going BACK to normal. You can only go forward. This reminds me of Montana mule deer. We aren’t going back no matter how much we wish we could.

Since this is in the money and finance, I’m curious if anyone is changing their investments with current events? I upped my allocation to international bonds and stocks a year ago. So far that has not been a good or bad move.

 

[Gulf of America]

My observation is the bootlickers are going to keep licking no matter what. Theres no going BACK to normal. You can only go forward. This reminds me of Montana mule deer. We aren’t going back no matter how much we wish we could.

I unfortunately agree that the media/social media ecosystem pretty much guarantees that anyone still drinking the koolaid will continue slurping it up. But the country is still close enough to 50/50 (despite a gerrymandering race to the bottom) that independents can tip things in a big way. At what point do republicans lose all credibility with those folks? I'm a registered independent and sure as hell don't want to be a democrat, but I can't see myself voting for anyone associated with this version of the republican party ever again.

 

[SAJ-99]

The only saving grace is that there are so many competing egos that it's hard for any one person to make long lasting change, especially when they clearly don't know how the systems actually work.

But I don't think people are unhappy. I think people are loving that there team won and is in the position of power. They can barely keep track they're own work schedules, trying to get kids to school, when there team plays next, etc, to know what's going on at a federal level, except for what they see on Facebook, which is just more "winning" or "whining" memes.

I think there is certainly a subset of people loving it. They love when a guy like Trump gets power and breaks rules because they are people who also don't want to follow society's rules. The Army in WWII defined fascism as a government by the few for the few. These people love it because they think they are in the few, even if they clearly aren't.

Make no mistake, what they are doing is trying to change the political system of the United States. I think, or at least hope, a lot of reasonable people in the middle are realizing that they are not going to see the benefits of these changes. It still is largely Capital vs Labor and the biggest mistake they might make is turning the Capital class against the idea.

 

[RG300]

I've heard it said (on NPR no less) that "Trump is making Teddy Roosevelt blush" .... I wonder what TR would say about todays headlines on any given subject.

 

[Forkyfinder]

I've heard it said (on NPR no less) that "Trump is making Teddy Roosevelt blush" .... I wonder what TR would say about todays headlines on any given subject.

Might get as close of an answer as you can find here. Wondered the same thing.

 

[BuzzH]

I think there is certainly a subset of people loving it. They love when a guy like Trump gets power and breaks rules because they are people who also don't want to follow society's rules. The Army in WWII defined fascism as a government by the few for the few. These people love it because they think they are in the few, even if they clearly aren't.

Make no mistake, what they are doing is trying to change the political system of the United States. I think, or at least hope, a lot of reasonable people in the middle are realizing that they are not going to see the benefits of these changes. It still is largely Capital vs Labor and the biggest mistake they might make is turning the Capital class against the idea.

Yep, vote against themselves and then whine when they get negatively impacted by what they voted for.

 

[Bonasababy]

true to some extent.

it's still a minority that are both happy and comfortable with what is going on right now.

And a decreasing minority at that.

Theres a lot of ignorance in many places in the US, but at its core Trump won because people thought he could improve things economically for people. They either forgot how incompetent things were in his first administration or thought somehow things could be different....and refused to believe warnings that it would likely be worse.

Just a year in and polls show a majority are not happy. The midterms...if an old lesson I learned years ago holds ...that people vote their pocketbook...are projected to be a bloodbath for anyone aligned with Trump.

Add to that the growing number of things...for example public land giveaway schemes discussed here..that motivate people of all stripes against the administration...and I have faith that things will improve and the US can start working to restore faith and its image.

The stuff going on in my state now is straight out of the Nazi playbook, and its really waking people up.

 

[Gr8bawana]

If thats the case and you wish to bring awareness - evidence does a lot.

You're awful quiet after being shown the proof of project 2025 on the monetary front.

 

[Irrelevant]

Man I think most of you live in a bubble. He's not any less popular with the people who actually voted for him that he was. Polls are full of shit. Remember, he wasn't even supposed to win the first go around? Just walk outside and talk to your neighbors, none of them are worked up about anything that they attribute to him. They think, if they do, that what he's doing to the Fed is the correct thing, he's fighting for them after all.

 

[BuzzH]

Man I think most of you live in a bubble. He's not any less popular with the people who actually voted for him that he was. Polls are full of shit. Remember, he wasn't even supposed to win the first go around? Just walk outside and talk to your neighbors, none of them are worked up about anything that they attribute to him. They think, if they do, that what he's doing to the Fed is the correct thing, he's fighting for them after all.

I don't know, I'm hearing some softening support even from the hardest of hard core right leaning folks I know. There's a bunch of people that he's impacting, farming, ACA, ranching, public land issues, flat wages, high unemployment.

I think there's just lots of holes in the dam and not enough fingers to plug them all.

 

[NDGuy]

I don't know, I'm hearing some softening support even from the hardest of hard core right leaning folks I know. There's a bunch of people that he's impacting, farming, ACA, ranching, public land issues, flat wages, high unemployment.

I think there's just lots of holes in the dam and not enough fingers to plug them all.

Folks gotta vote at midterms, most folks I know who voted R are happy and think everything is the dems fault.

 

[BuzzH]

Folks gotta vote at midterms, most folks I know who voted R are happy and think everything is the dems fault.

Sure, the base is almost always going to stay no matter what, and I mean absolutely no matter what. I think those in the center are going to show up in pretty big numbers and they aren't happy at all, with what's going on.

 

[TOGIE]

Man I think most of you live in a bubble. He's not any less popular with the people who actually voted for him that he was. Polls are full of shit. Remember, he wasn't even supposed to win the first go around? Just walk outside and talk to your neighbors, none of them are worked up about anything that they attribute to him. They think, if they do, that what he's doing to the Fed is the correct thing, he's fighting for them after all.

the midterms will be the first litmus test to your theory. it's gonna be interesting. i also feel like your conflating the MAGA base (which shows plenty of cracks these days) with the hoards of moderate republicans and independents that gave him their vote.

further what people say out loud can be very different from how they feel, especially when it comes time to ink a bubble on a piece of paper.

i took a lot of heat from some friends for denouncing trump as the election approached in 2024.

those same friends have since been quite perplexed and at times concerned with the way this first year has gone.

 

[NDGuy]

those same friends have since been quite perplexed and at times concerned with the way this first year has gone.

Nobody should be surprised..at all. They are doing exactly what they said and telegraphed for months leading up to 2025.

 

[WyoCoalMiner]

Sure, the base is almost always going to stay no matter what, and I mean absolutely no matter what. I think those in the center are going to show up in pretty big numbers and they aren't happy at all, with what's going on.

Center votes will depend entirely on who runs from the left. If the left can put up a strong candidate, they will get the votes. If it's more of vote for me because Trump is bad, expect a similar result to 2024.

 

[406dn]

I suspect we all look for signs that point to things moving in a direction we prefer. Every time I make the short drive into Laurel, I go past a home that proudly flew some Trump flag on their flag pole. That ended a few months ago.

It might be that the cheap flags just got worn out in the wind, or it might be that they don't want to show any support publicly.

I do not see nearly so many Trump MAGA hats, when I'm out and about.

A few weeks ago, a guy pulled out in front of me from a secondary road. I had to slow down to avoid riding up his arse. I got close enough, to see what looked like a Trump bumper sticker. I started to form a bad opinion about him. When we got to where the road opened up to two lanes each way, I passed him.

My opinion changed a bit when I could read the bumper sticker...F**k Trump.

 

[TOGIE]

Nobody should be surprised..at all. They are doing exactly what they said and telegraphed for months leading up to 2025.

well, combine the short term memory of the electorate and the average education level and reading comprehension of adult americans and voila!

but for real, nobody actually knew what was in project 2025. there were sound bytes, and a few articles about some pieces here and there. but the average person just had no idea. and who could blame them? i really didn't fully understand what it was about. hindsight is 20/20.

many other things were loudly and proudly proclaimed that nobody took seriously. some started to, I started to.

i was for sure done after jan 6.