Anybody Buying Yet? Where’s the Bottom?

[SAJ-99]

So what?

Any different from someone else running home to reload ammo, spend 3 hours cooking dinner, gardening, bird watching, etc, etc?

Not everyone has the same interests and frankly it's really not your business what people do wirh their free time.

I was picking a mindless common exercise so people could relate. My point was I think there is a broad misunderstanding of the average American. Not saying what they do is any of my business. Saying you want more for your family sounds great, but when you just "want" that without sacrificing time and effort to better yourself (as the example was presented in the post I responded to) then I can't have any sympathy. You, and I, have both made the point that incomes have not risen fast enough, which has led to a lot of the problems we face today, like the SS system moving toward being underfunded. But I have to acknowledge that some of that seems like a growing lack of motivation of the workers. Primary cause? No, but it certainly has an impact.

Yeah, my view is framed by what I did. I spent a lot of time trying to learn as much as I could to make myself more valuable. And maybe I overestimate the lack of people doing something similar. But I also know that most owner/managers will replace most employees with an automated/computerized system if they could....

 

[406dn]

But I also know that most owner/managers will replace most employees with an automated/computerized system if they could....

Most workers realize this. It is one significant reason why management pleas for loyalty and continuous improvement fall on deaf ears. Management, far too often, views their employees with a level of distain and disrespect.

Everyone has a life to live. An employee is seeking to find the best work/life balance that they can. They are not there to fill an employer's every need.

 

[TOGIE]

Not saying what they do is any of my business. Saying you want more for your family sounds great, but when you just "want" that without sacrificing time and effort to better yourself (as the example was presented in the post I responded to) then I can't have any sympathy.

is bettering yourself only valuable if the "bettering" comes in the form of career and socio economic status?

the more i want for my family is time - presence is the most valuable thing and when time is more valuable than money i'm willing to give up the money for the time. stable budgets have more to do with you spend money than how you make it, and time is no different. i'm not gonna place the bet that giving up time for money now will reward me with more time later. it's the same thing randy says about hunting: hunt now, cause later probably won't pan out for you the way you'd ideally want if that's your plan.

living for the career is soooo last generation bro

 

[Nick87]

Most workers realize this. It is one significant reason why management pleas for loyalty and continuous improvement fall on deaf ears. Management, far too often, views their employees with a level of distain and disrespect.

Everyone has a life to live. An employee is seeking to find the best work/life balance that they can. They are not there to fill an employer's every need.

After 20 years I'm realizing loyalty is overrated.

 

[SAJ-99]

Everyone has a life to live. An employee is seeking to find the best work/life balance that they can. They are not there to fill an employer's every need.

And the employer owes you nothing, particularly if you are easily replaced. I do admit that a union will negotiate with the company what is "owed". But it explains why most jobs aren't unionized anymore and corporations fight against them. There is a real battle between labor and capital and labor is losing. I certainly support unions, but our problems are far deeper. There is a general belief by people they should have more but don't want to sacrifice anything to get it. Doesn't matter if is health care or Montana mule deer conversations. And we keep lowering the bars to satisfy that desire. (we can have a whole other thread on how Federal spending cuts reduces slots in residency programs which reduce the number of doctors so people chose to become nurse practitioners because the the cost of become a doctor - we lose something in tradeoff). I keep thinking of that line in the phrase about "easy times make weak men". Times have been too easy for us.

is bettering yourself only valuable if the "bettering" comes in the form of career and socio economic status?

Certainly not, but it is a choice. Once you make that choice you should lose the ability to complain about your career or socioeconomic status.

living for the career is soooo last generation bro

Yeah, I noticed.

 

[Treeshark]

Work, at its core, is two parties knowingly using each other:

-Company uses the employee for production.

-Employee uses the company for personal income.

As long as this relationship is slightly skewed towards the company’s financial advantage, this continues fairly harmoniously: employee’s financial needs are met and company profits. If it gets out of balance (and in many instance is currently is out of balance), issues arise.