American prairie. What's the issue?

[mtmuley]

Am I correct in understanding that your negative experience is connected to seeking hunting access on one of their properties and they did not allow access to that particular property at that time?

Correct Gerald. In reflection, probably shouldn't give a shit. At the time, it irritated me. mtmuley

 

[mtmuley]

Be sure to report back when you find your evidence of 900 bison over grazing 600,000 acres of tall grass prairie to the detriment of the Missouri Breaks elk herds the next time you're hunting for free on AP property.

Buzz, I've never hunted AP and do not plan to. Lots of country out there. mtmuley

 

[BuzzH]

Buzz, I've never hunted AP and do not plan to. Lots of country out there. mtmuley

Good, then you can stop complaining about them.

I'm planning on hunting plenty more on their awesome properties.

 

[mtmuley]

Good, then you can stop complaining about them.

Not complaining really. If I have deeper questions you will get a pm. Like with the sheep stuff. Have a good Sunday. mtmuley

 

[Gerald Martin]

Correct Gerald. In reflection, probably shouldn't give a shit. At the time, it irritated me. mtmuley

I get it that it could be irritating to have a special permit and be denied access to a desired property. What I don’t understand is how that a private landowner’s reason for allowing or denying access is an issue? I see tons of private property where the owners allow some folks and not others, at some time and not at another time. Access to private property is always at the discretion of the landowner.

One very important thing I did not realize about AP until Randy did that podcast with one of their representatives is that AP still allows public access across their private property to access adjacent public land even if they aren’t giving permission or only limited permission to hunt their deeded land on that specific property. That’s huge.

 

[BuzzH]

One very important thing I did not realize about AP until Randy did that podcast with one of their representatives is that AP still allows public access across their private property to access adjacent public land even if they aren’t giving permission or only limited permission to hunt their deeded land on that specific property. That’s huge.

Why my family and I are financial donors to AP. Very few landowners offer that kind of access.

 

[mtmuley]

I get it that it could be irritating to have a special permit and be denied access to a desired property. What I don’t understand is how that a private landowner’s reason for allowing or denying access is an issue? I see tons of private property where the owners allow some folks and not others, at some time and not at another time. Access to private property is always at the discretion of the landowner.

One very important thing I did not realize about AP until Randy did that podcast with one of their representatives is that AP still allows public access across their private property to access adjacent public land even if they aren’t giving permission or only limited permission to hunt their deeded land on that specific property. That’s huge.

Good stuff. Thanks. mtmuley

 

[Nunjagottam]

The unchallenged consensus regarding range land in MT, is that cattle ranching saved the frontier from undergrazing. Cattle were sent by the Creator to fulfill the destiny of the uninhabited west. Cattle and the men who run them are God's chosen model of stuardship. All other creatures are vermin, dissent is heresy.

 

[Irrelevant]

Stayed in the AP cabin at the confluence with the Judith a few years back while deer hunting the area. I can't believe when I read they had a griz roll through there recently. Just never a landscape that my feeble brain could see a silver-tipped bruin inhabiting, even if I've read about plenty of historical accounts.

 

[OlWhitcombPlace]

I have lead much of the research work for Smithsonian on the AP landscape since 2018. If someone wants to put questions together, I'll answer them. -andy

 

[SAJ-99]

I have lead much of the research work for Smithsonian on the AP landscape since 2018. If someone wants to put questions together, I'll answer them. -andy

Thanks for posting. Organizing is not the strength of HT or the internet in general, but I came up with few. If there are written studies you can point us there too. Some of us love this stuff.

What is your biggest challenge on the landscape?
What have been the biggest positive surprises?
Any wolves discover the place yet? Grizzly bears?
What would you want the average citizen (mostly hunters here on HT) to know about the landscape that they might be surprised by?

 

[Gulf of America]

Stayed in the AP cabin at the confluence with the Judith a few years back while deer hunting the area. I can't believe when I read they had a griz roll through there recently. Just never a landscape that my feeble brain could see a silver-tipped bruin inhabiting, even if I've read about plenty of historical accounts.

This was across the creek on the west end of that same property in fall 2024. Definitely not just a wandering boar out there.

 

[corndog1]

Why does APR need additional land for their bison herd? mtmuley

Why do cattle ranchers need additional land for their cattle herd?