Well maybe. The Fat Girl is based off of the .300 Norma case. But, a necked down RUM would be more economical as far as actions go. mtmuley
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shootbrownelk
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You said you were all for innovation. Innovative polymer ammo cases for the 6.8 western. Just another wiz-bang gimmick for those who have to have the latest & greatest just for the bragging rights around the campfire. When everyone is tired of hearing about the latest Creedmoor.
LuketheDog
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What state is that??
theddguide
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I happen to like most of the newer browning rifles and have been wanting one in 270wsm. Problem is, they haven't offered it in the hell's canyon or pro lines apparently because of their development of this round. Well, now they have this being offered in the type of cartridge I've been looking for. Just because it says 6.8 western won't deter me, as I've been wanting a short action 270. It's the new kid on the block and certainly has me interested in another browning.
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Respectfully, that is a straw man argument, and a terrible one, at that. Nowhere were polymer cases mentioned. What was actually being discussed, were the merits of an efficient .277 cartridge that was finally designed to shoot heavy, high-BC bullets with relatively low recoil.
I’m genuinely curious as far as your personal opinion goes, at what point in cartridge evolution did true innovation end, and wiz-bang begin? What’s the hard-stop, last cartridge designed that’s acceptable, in your mind?
Very well said.
This new cartridge seems just like the pain reliever aisle in the store. You've got Tylenol caplets, tablets, gelcaps, geltabs, extra strength, regular strength, also available in liquid form. Same thing with Motrin, Aleve, Bayer, Excedrin, you get the idea.
Do we need to have all of them?
It's all the exact same thing, accomplishes the same results but the company gets that much more space on the shelf.
Winchester is doing the same thing.
Do we need to have all of them?
It's all the exact same thing, accomplishes the same results but the company gets that much more space on the shelf.
Winchester is doing the same thing.
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For those confused about the polymer ammunition I believe this is what is being referenced: https://www.tvammo.com/
The next generation squad weapon is supposed to be based on a 6.8 mm and there are a few competitors - the other notable is the sig .277 fury.
The next generation squad weapon is supposed to be based on a 6.8 mm and there are a few competitors - the other notable is the sig .277 fury.
I’m more excited about the 280AI offerings personally but this cartridge looks great too.
Pretty much every state with elk east of the Mississippi from what I understand.
shootbrownelk
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Opinions vary. I'm out.
Buffs35
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So looking at the data, is the 6.8 western to .270, what .300 wby is to .300 win?
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I would say it's slightly more nuanced than that, only because it was designed around shooting newer, heavier bullets that any standard .270, .270Wby, or .270WSM was unable to, due to twist constraints in factory rifles. As far as launching the same, standard .277 bullets faster, like your example shows, I don't think it eclipses the WSM or Weatherby. What it finally does, is help heavy, sleek .277 bullets become more standardized, and should encourage manufacturers to pursue more variety of said bullets. Now, instead of being just being constrained to Matrix 165s, we will have Nosler and Sierra to add to the mix. Granted, the Noslers were already getting traction because of the new .27 Nosler, but the 6.8W is geared towards a larger consumer base--those who, like myself, admittedly, don't appreciate a lot of recoil.
Another side benefit to increased offerings in heavy .277 cal bullets, we might also see faster twist rates in standard .270s, just like what eventually happened with the .260Rem. The .270 Win could see a marked increase in downrange performance. As anyone can see as far as my participation in this thread, I'm a fan of what they're doing. Time will tell if it has sticking power, but I really hope that it does. I think I will end up ordering one of the new Extreme Weathers from Winchester, and probably sell my .270WSM or my 6.5 PRC. Maybe I'll be the first of many converts, or maybe I'll be that guy in 10yrs scrambling to find components. Either way, I like the concept of this new round.
Don’t know or care... but legal is legal. It’s a thing that people that live in those areas have to be concerned with and no doubt some of them travel to Western states as well. For someone starting out fresh this is clearly another capable option and that was the point. The whole rationale (for me) in deciding to go with 7mm based cartridges was driven partially by the fact that they’re widely available, elk legal (if I get drawn), and effective if I do my part. The second point eliminated all things smaller than 27 caliber FOR ME as I think in practical terms.So that will affect roughly .001% of elk hunters? Or is that .01%?
Doesn’t mean that I don’t believe that elk can be harvested with smaller calibers but I’m not going to jail (or be fined) to prove a point either. This cartridge is just another all-around capable option and will breathe new life into 27 caliber options bullet wise.
jeff_gibbons
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I think it's cool. Just another option for we consumers and will likely have some peripheral benefits like increased choices for 277 slugs and may encourage manufacturers to speed up the twist on the original 270 and 270 ws. That alone would benefit the users of those cartridges and make it worthwhile.
I do agree with the application message needing to change. Too many hunters are embracing the long range gamble w/o the requisite training and experience and its going to hurt the rest of us.
I do agree with the application message needing to change. Too many hunters are embracing the long range gamble w/o the requisite training and experience and its going to hurt the rest of us.
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Hear, hear.
My small mind is looking at a 116 grain bullet for the .270. 3400 plus fps. Hmmm
.. mtmuley
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I wonder about hunters "embracing long range" and it being a problem. Depending on where you're at, just finding a critter at 300+ yards (let alone 500+) can be quite challenging. Then, hitting one at all at that range, in a field position, requires pretty reasonable shooting skills. It's pretty easy to be off by feet. I'm all for improving skills, only taking shots that we're super confident in - but I'm sure nearly every one in this board has stories of missed/botched shots, I don't think a fancy new round is going to change that.
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