SnowyMountaineer
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That’s gonna be a hell of a thread.One exception, if CO went to ~10% NR allocation it would crush western tourist hunting, point creep would get so bad in every state a lot of folks might hang up the towel.
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That’s gonna be a hell of a thread.One exception, if CO went to ~10% NR allocation it would crush western tourist hunting, point creep would get so bad in every state a lot of folks might hang up the towel.
I've been trying to set aside some time to explore those numbers myself. It's difficult though, because you need several states worth of info and have to examine how allocation changed over the years plus where disease truncated demand by removing a big share of supply.Anyone have data showing long term sales/demand of NR whitetail tags in the Midwest? @wllm1313?
Interested to know if it’s actually gone down.
Edit: he was typing at the same time I was.
This is where my qualitative conjecture crashes and dies against the rocks of your quantitative data.Given that there are more whitetail in PA than elk in the US I don’t think demand will decrease.
Why? If you don't mind my asking.It looks like we are done buying points and applying in Wyoming.
It seems as though the NR tag cuts will happen in the next few years. That’s a concern, along with potential fee/cost increases. Moving the goal posts after committing to buying points is not something we are interested in continuing with. And I understand all the talking points about points not guaranteeing tags, etc.Why? If you don't mind my asking.
Really? You can't figure that out?Why? If you don't mind my asking.
It isn't hard to read between the lines, no. But there are a lot of factors in a given person's decision and I thought it'd be nice to hear the details that went into his. Hope that's okay with you.Really? You can't figure that out?
Thank you for the thorough answer, those details are what I was interested in. And I certainly understand the motivation behind your decision.It seems as though the NR tag cuts will happen in the next few years. That’s a concern, along with potential fee/cost increases. Moving the goal posts after committing to buying points is not something we are interested in continuing with. And I understand all the talking points about points not guaranteeing tags, etc.
Honestly, the anti-NR sentiment is a big deterrent for our group. We enjoy hunting in Wyoming, but we enjoy hunting other areas too. I understand we are NR and the wildlife belongs to the state, yada yada yada. We paid special tag prices for both of our tags this year. Clicking submit on that purchase was tough. It may not be a lot of money for some people, but it is for everyone in our group. The regular tag prices are a lot of money for us. Spending that amount of money while being told it’s basically meaningless makes it easy to spend that money elsewhere.
In the end, the cost, cutting NR tags, anti-NR sentiment and general hassle of it all just is not worth it to us anymore. We have other things we will do and enjoy as much or more. We were not planning to burn our points this year but decided too after the 90/10 and price increase talk.
I can tell you, for me, after drawing the tags and having no commitment to Wyoming preference points, it was absolutely the right thing to do.
To be fair, we don't like residents either."anti-NR sentiment"
kind of like you and New MexicoBunch of quitters...
Yep, I'm a quitter in New Mexico and added Illinois WT and a yearly AK fishing trip because I was so tore up about it.kind of like you and New Mexico
Gotta say, the oryx is worth it.Yep, I'm a quitter in New Mexico and added Illinois WT and a yearly AK fishing trip because I was so tore up about it.
Probably would have kept applying for oryx if it wasn't OIL...and I have no desire to shoot a broken horn.
Great post.It seems as though the NR tag cuts will happen in the next few years. That’s a concern, along with potential fee/cost increases. Moving the goal posts after committing to buying points is not something we are interested in continuing with. And I understand all the talking points about points not guaranteeing tags, etc.
Honestly, the anti-NR sentiment is a big deterrent for our group. We enjoy hunting in Wyoming, but we enjoy hunting other areas too. I understand we are NR and the wildlife belongs to the state, yada yada yada. We paid special tag prices for both of our tags this year. Clicking submit on that purchase was tough. It may not be a lot of money for some people, but it is for everyone in our group. The regular tag prices are a lot of money for us. Spending that amount of money while being told it’s basically meaningless makes it easy to spend that money elsewhere.
In the end, the cost, cutting NR tags, anti-NR sentiment and general hassle of it all just is not worth it to us anymore. We have other things we will do and enjoy as much or more. We were not planning to burn our points this year but decided too after the 90/10 and price increase talk.
I can tell you, for me, after drawing the tags and having no commitment to Wyoming preference points, it was absolutely the right thing to do.
Great points.Yep, I'm a quitter in New Mexico and added Illinois WT and a yearly AK fishing trip because I was so tore up about it.
Probably would have kept applying for oryx if it wasn't OIL...and I have no desire to shoot a broken horn.