White mtn. Apache elk hunt?

White mountain is cheaper than San Carlos but I thought their waitlist was so long they weren’t even taking anymore people on the list.
 
I may be wrong but i looks a few yrs back and they weren't taking any new hunters due to repeat hunters it was 25k for a hunt no idea what it is these days
 
I hunted the WMAT Sunrise Camp in Sept 2025...this place is a SCAM!!! We had 14-16 hunters in camp..half were 25k "Trophy 385+ Bull hunters" and the rest were "Management" bull hunters for 10k...NOT A SINGLE HUNTER in any camp harvested a bull or even had a shot...that is ridiculous for what they call "the greatest elk hunting on earth"...you will see a lot of Elk but they will only allow you to harvest an 8 year old 5x5 on management and nobody even saw a single bull that fit that description...the "Trophy hunters" not a single one saw anything that was over 385 and none harvested in Sunrise or the other camp and IF you see a bull the guide needs to text a photo to the head guide for you to get permission to shoot that Elk which of course if that happens..you will most likely never find that bull again but to the time it will take to text back and forth. They basically take your money knowing that you will see a lot of elk but that very few will harvest anything. The accommodations were adequate, but I have stayed in better at lower priced hunting camps...the food was good.....my biggest issue with them is their lack of integrity and complete disregard for any accountability whatsoever. Their guide abandoned myself and another tribal member at the top of a mountain on the morning of day 3...we were on our own in the mountains for days..we had no food or water and we were soaked from a hail/rain storm...went hypothermic for 2 days in 30 degree temps...when they found us via Thermal Helicopter at 230am as were were entering day 3...I had some internal organ issues from the hypothermia...they rushed us to the hospital. The head guide Wayne Amos sat by my bed side as the doctors were working on me and promised "I will make this right"..then after I was released from the hospital and we had a dinner on the final night he pulled me aside as did another member of the tribe and again shook my hand and promised they would bring me back for another hunt and to invite a friend as their way of "making it right"...they are LIARS...from what the WMAT investigator told me during the investigation, multiple tribe members LIED by saying they informed my wife that I was missing in the mountains...when I got home I asked my wife and she did not have a single call/text/email (which I shared with the WMAT investigator) per my emergency contact sheet and our local police came to my door at 330am EST and told her I was missing for several days and it may turn into a recovery mission if they don't find me soon and she thought I was dead. For the Tribe to LIE to their own investigator about notifying next of kin is absolutely unacceptable. Six months later I reached out to Wayne and he responded with a nasty email and of course he as the head of the hunt camp took ZERO responsibility for his clear lack of leadership for his hunting operation that he is in charge of. We are both military veterans and he even questioned my USMC military service although we had many discussions in camp about our time in service and the multiple service connected surgeries I have had. Wayne seems like a very nice guy when you talk to him at first, but make no mistake...he is a salesman and will not keep his word. Other hunters from camp reached out to me to see how I was recovering due to the injuries I sustained at WMAT and not a single member of the tribe ever called to see how I was...they did call to interview me for the investigation that was ongoing with local rescue law enforcement authorities as well as WMAT investigators. I have had over 20 medical appointments due to the ongoing issues I have from the hypothermia and WMAT takes ZERO accountability....they did however change their Hunting Operation SOP due to what happened to me. Make no mistake...the Tribe will look out for themselves and only themselves at WMAT and they could care less about any hunters as the other hunters I became friendly with that have hunted there for years have also gotten ignored (per them) since this happened. I do feel bad for the other hunters as WMAT refuses to compensate any of the other hunters that could not hunt due to the multi day rescue searches and these guys paid 10-25k and it was 100% the fault of the WMAT...but those guys got screwed too which is unacceptable for any outfitter, let alone one that claims to be the "Elk Hunting Capitol of the World." What really sucks is the Apache tribe is the ONLY tribe in the US that you cannot take legal action against because they are the only tribe (per attorneys) that will not release their protection of sovereignty from the US Government...this means they can literally kill you and nothing will be done about it (per attorneys from CA, OK, TX, AZ). If you want to fall for their "Elk hunting capitol of the World" best of luck to you...since I was rescued I have been advised that they had another hunter in camp that they also lost in the mountains and he was injured by a gunshot and they luckily found him before he died.....It is disgusting how this operation takes your money knowing they do not have the animals for hunters to harvest as proven by not a single bull from this camp in 2025.
 
Bigjay73 said:
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Looks like he cut and pasted it from his thread on RS. Perhaps we will get to hear about all of his other poor experiences on guided hunts, too.

Edit - oops, looks like two of his other three posts were telling us about those bad experiences.

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BTW - when I first read his post on RS, I wondered if popeyoung12 had returned. 😀
 
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