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I would take wolves over yuppies any day of the week.....Does that make me a wolf lover? Or just anti-social....
What is a wolf lover?
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I would take wolves over yuppies any day of the week.....Does that make me a wolf lover? Or just anti-social....
Smart. It makes you smart.
Question: Can I like native, non-canadian wolves? Is that okay or will that make me a wolf lover too?
jryoung
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An EO? So, it's Obama's fault.
I suppose mtmiller is right about the timing, so that would make it the Gipper who piloted the pen on the executive order. Our current president, in 1986, hadn't entered Harvard Law school yet.
drahthaar
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Exactly! Just shy of 120 pounds. It's a dang big wolf. Even with a belly full of meat, a giant like this one still wouldn't get to 150 pounds. That was my point.
These two put the smack down on wolves. This one is a great trophy. Perfect hide. The others have been riddled with mange. Consummate sportsmen. Should hold some trapping clinics for wolves.
These two put the smack down on wolves. This one is a great trophy. Perfect hide. The others have been riddled with mange. Consummate sportsmen. Should hold some trapping clinics for wolves.
drahthaar
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Literally just got another pic of a wolf from them.
Unreal the success they have!!
90 lb male.
Unreal the success they have!!
90 lb male.
BigHornRam
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I'm not anti livestock, I'm pro elk. I think 1.23$ per AUM is ridiculous. Does that make me anti livestock?
You aren't here anymore just a lurker, I don't see you discussing anything with anyone. Your non existent and a non factor.
Buck 35 per AUM is sweet deal. What would be an acceptable rate for you, Shoot's?
BigHornRam
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What are the odds of that, Ben? Buck 35 sounds pretty safe to me..........unless Obama get's out his pen.
What are the odds of that, Ben? Buck 35 sounds pretty safe to me..........unless Obama get's out his pen.
odds are 20:1 against.
$1.35 per AUM is money loser for the Fed. It doesn't cover the cost of managing the leases let alone trying to get any revenue for the general fund.
shoots-straight
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Do you believe in the free market system? Let that dictate the price. The average around here on dry land is about $23 per AUM http://www.nass.usda.gov/Statistics_by_State/Montana/Publications/economic/prices/grazefee.htm
What do you think is acceptable? Do you believe in subsidies?
BigHornRam
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Have you brought that up with Tester, Ben? Max? Where are they on this? What's an acceptable rate for you?
I generally don't get into grazing fees. I view $1.35 as a cheap rate to be sure, but I also view it like we do CRP. It's an investment in maintaining good winter habitat on private ground and, for the most part, producers do an adequate to good job in sharing the resource (grass). I'd prefer to see it raised to maybe $2.00 but I doubt that would happen.
Remember, I'm a socialist hippy wolf lover, so I don't mind it when people utilize the Gov't to sustain good things.
Remember, I'm a socialist hippy wolf lover, so I don't mind it when people utilize the Gov't to sustain good things.
noharleyyet
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..woofs, AUM rates, and rivers..Jose, wherefore art thou..20 pages missing.
Nemont
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Pretty expansive view of things Ben. I bet most who clamor for an end to grazing public lands would disagree with your view.
Nemont
Most who clamor for things generally would rather fight than win.
katqanna
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Montana Trust Land, Grazing Lease Rate Valuation Analysis - the last updated information in 2013 showed the Montana private grazing fee at $23.60 an AUM for a cow-calf pair. Thats a hell of a difference from BLM/FS's $1.35. I dug into all this last spring.
In 2012, the Congressional Research Service did a report - Grazing Fees: Overview and Issues. This reports helps to give an overview of the situation and some attempts to rectify it. I am trying to find the report I had, that shows the costs of maintaining these lands and the fact that we dont even come close to recouping administration and maintenance expenses with these low fees. For example, pg 5 of the overview states -
Costs $132,500,000 - fee income $17,500,000 = $115,000,000 annual loss
That is not responsible Public Trust stewardship management, that is socialized agriculture - the costs and losses are being socialized, except the profits are being privatized.
In 2012, the Congressional Research Service did a report - Grazing Fees: Overview and Issues. This reports helps to give an overview of the situation and some attempts to rectify it. I am trying to find the report I had, that shows the costs of maintaining these lands and the fact that we dont even come close to recouping administration and maintenance expenses with these low fees. For example, pg 5 of the overview states -
Costs $132,500,000 - fee income $17,500,000 = $115,000,000 annual loss
That is not responsible Public Trust stewardship management, that is socialized agriculture - the costs and losses are being socialized, except the profits are being privatized.
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