BigHornRam
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I like that quote Ben
BTW what do think of Max's China gig? I wouldn't go to that cesspool for anything. Hope he get's better security than Ambassador Stevens got.
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I like that quote Ben
BTW what do think of Max's China gig? I wouldn't go to that cesspool for anything. Hope he get's better security than Ambassador Stevens got.
katqanna
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Ben, I pay a little over $7.00 a gallon for milk right now. It is organic milk, free of antibiotics and growth hormones, the cows are pasture raised on organic pastures.
When not raising my own animals, I advocate humane raising conditions and slaughtering for the few products I have to buy elsewhere, and buy local, as much as possible to support my local ag businesses, so more of that money goes to those producers and less to transportation and corporate mafia shake down industries that control the market for their profit, not the producers.
I am willing to pay upfront true costs for an item, rather than hidden, subsidized costs. I want to know where my money goes, transparency and accountability of government.
When not raising my own animals, I advocate humane raising conditions and slaughtering for the few products I have to buy elsewhere, and buy local, as much as possible to support my local ag businesses, so more of that money goes to those producers and less to transportation and corporate mafia shake down industries that control the market for their profit, not the producers.
I am willing to pay upfront true costs for an item, rather than hidden, subsidized costs. I want to know where my money goes, transparency and accountability of government.
& That's a choice you have the luxury of making. Families working below the poverty level & feeding 4 kids can't do that.
We can argue the merits of how we prioritize those subsidies, but the reality is that ag subsidies make food affordable for everyone. It's a pretty democratic approach to food security.
We can argue the merits of how we prioritize those subsidies, but the reality is that ag subsidies make food affordable for everyone. It's a pretty democratic approach to food security.
katqanna
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Ben, Poverty levels for 2013, 1 person is $11,490. I make about that. I could make more if I stopped doing public conservation work and just focused on making money, rather than being concerned with our public trust wildlife and habitat. And when I did have my 4 children, raising them by myself, and was working more than fulltime for a company, I made about $18,000 a year - no assistance programs, no welfare, no food stamps, no medical. We grew alot of our food, ate hunted/fished meat and raised our own chickens, sometimes goats and sheep. We sewed the bulk of our clothes (I am a textile artist, so they were better made than what is produced in the stores) and I did all the repairs on our Chevy trucks, etc.
No one, who has ever know us (or even just seeing our clothing or living conditions), ever suspected that we we at or near US poverty levels for income, because of the quality of life we chose. I am a huge advocate for being a producer, rather than a consumer, which is less expensive and better quality (if you have the skill sets).
Healthy ag products is not a luxury for me, it is a priority. It is cheaper than getting sick and medical costs. And it was a priority for my childrens health, short and longterm. Instead of chemically ladden convenience junk foods, disposable entertainment or poor quality products from China, I invested in my family's future health and a more responsible, sustainable agriculture.
katqanna
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Ben, do you really want to make another assumption about me, this time where I live?
While I am a private person about my income and such, in defense of certain value choices, priorities, I will not hesitate to expose that to make a point. Due to a number of domino events in 2008, after moving here to Montana, for the last year I have had to move in town, Bozeman, renting the upper half of a house, which compared to my other homes, feels like a bloody hobbit hole (I dont have a garage for all my tools, nor the space for my looms), which does not even have a washer and dryer in the upper half. So I participate in the ancient rituals of my ancestresses, doing laundry by hand, to avoid going to the laundromat as frequently, which I despise. I grow herbs in pots in my windowsill, instead of a greenhouse now, until I can get back out to land, where I can dig my toes in the soil.
As to "expecting millions of urban Americans to have the same opportunities you do in rural America", I was born in the city and worked my ass off long hours and sacrificed to get land and a home I rebuilt in rural America. And I am starting all over again, and will continue to work hard and sacrifice to get back there again. But while in the city, I know enough of urban sustainability, having dealt with a sustainability forum and dealing with the research, on how people can have their cake and eat it to, even in the city. So my quality of living remains true to my values and passions.
And because I work my ass off and dont expect a free hand out, I really value the transparency and accountability of our taxpayer dollars, so that we are not subsidizing a farmer to grow a crop he knows will not survive and then get paid for it when it fails; or lease land to a rancher for $1.35 an AUM cow-calf pair, at a serious loss; or lease our WMA's for haying, not only at a seriously reduced price, but reducing diverse forage for our wildlife on that public land, while they sell that hay for a high price or use it for their livestock, then b*tch about the elk on the land and want them depopulated using our sportsmens dollars to do it.
Transparency and accountability in Public Trust stewardship. Is that so much to ask for?
While I am a private person about my income and such, in defense of certain value choices, priorities, I will not hesitate to expose that to make a point. Due to a number of domino events in 2008, after moving here to Montana, for the last year I have had to move in town, Bozeman, renting the upper half of a house, which compared to my other homes, feels like a bloody hobbit hole (I dont have a garage for all my tools, nor the space for my looms), which does not even have a washer and dryer in the upper half. So I participate in the ancient rituals of my ancestresses, doing laundry by hand, to avoid going to the laundromat as frequently, which I despise. I grow herbs in pots in my windowsill, instead of a greenhouse now, until I can get back out to land, where I can dig my toes in the soil.
As to "expecting millions of urban Americans to have the same opportunities you do in rural America", I was born in the city and worked my ass off long hours and sacrificed to get land and a home I rebuilt in rural America. And I am starting all over again, and will continue to work hard and sacrifice to get back there again. But while in the city, I know enough of urban sustainability, having dealt with a sustainability forum and dealing with the research, on how people can have their cake and eat it to, even in the city. So my quality of living remains true to my values and passions.
And because I work my ass off and dont expect a free hand out, I really value the transparency and accountability of our taxpayer dollars, so that we are not subsidizing a farmer to grow a crop he knows will not survive and then get paid for it when it fails; or lease land to a rancher for $1.35 an AUM cow-calf pair, at a serious loss; or lease our WMA's for haying, not only at a seriously reduced price, but reducing diverse forage for our wildlife on that public land, while they sell that hay for a high price or use it for their livestock, then b*tch about the elk on the land and want them depopulated using our sportsmens dollars to do it.
Transparency and accountability in Public Trust stewardship. Is that so much to ask for?
I'm not making any assumptions about you. I'm saying that someone living in a tenement in New York or Chicago does not have the same opportunities to find food security than you do.
Those people can't go hunt or garden unless there is a community garden close by. Even then it's not enough space to provide for a family of 4 for a year.
Those people can't go hunt or garden unless there is a community garden close by. Even then it's not enough space to provide for a family of 4 for a year.
sweetnectar
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Kat- You ever noticed the organic milk has a slight pinkish/white look to it?
katqanna
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Oy, Are you going to scare me with some information about the milk?
I havent noticed, but I have only recently been buying this brand (Organic Valley) at the Co-op for a bit. Prior, I was buying cow and goat shares to get fresh milk (non homogenized with all the cream in it) in glass jars (more than 8.00 a gallon that way). Then I would put a 99.9% silver dollar in the sterilized jar to ward off bacteria. Not like it sat around anyway, but I wanted to take some precautions.
So whats with the pinkish tinge, or is that your lighting?
I like that quote Ben
BTW what do think of Max's China gig? I wouldn't go to that cesspool for anything. Hope he get's better security than Ambassador Stevens got.
BHR,
Just saw this. Sorry. I think we're gonna miss Max when it comes time to fighting for Public lands and programs like LWCF, but I can see why he'd want out. China is gift for Max. It's a prestigious assignment that could be very lucrative for MT industry. Especially Ag. Everybody thinks that Coal will be the big thing for China but I doubt that looking at market trends. All in all, I'm sad to see him go, but glad he's still at it.
sweetnectar
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Kat,
I asked a USDA milk inspector once....off the record, of course...if there was any milk that he would stay away from. He said organic. Then he started in about the pinkish/white color and mastitis with milk cows and what he has observed and how when, not if, a cow in the organic herd gets mastitis the organic treatment is to milk the bloody/pussy/...tit and it will naturally clear itself up. No antibiotic. The only bad thing is that that blood and puss goes in with the rest of the milk and you get this pink color. Ya, I was ready to barf. But he did say that that shouldn't hurt you much just gross you out. What will get you is not having it pasteurized because thats when things get dangerious, things like anthrax naturally show up.
So there is my scary info about milk. Please make sure it is pasteurized and live longer. As for the pink organic stuff I hope it was my lights.
Now back to hating wolves and loving MT or was it loving and hating milk....er?....what are we loving?
I asked a USDA milk inspector once....off the record, of course...if there was any milk that he would stay away from. He said organic. Then he started in about the pinkish/white color and mastitis with milk cows and what he has observed and how when, not if, a cow in the organic herd gets mastitis the organic treatment is to milk the bloody/pussy/...tit and it will naturally clear itself up. No antibiotic. The only bad thing is that that blood and puss goes in with the rest of the milk and you get this pink color. Ya, I was ready to barf. But he did say that that shouldn't hurt you much just gross you out. What will get you is not having it pasteurized because thats when things get dangerious, things like anthrax naturally show up.
So there is my scary info about milk. Please make sure it is pasteurized and live longer. As for the pink organic stuff I hope it was my lights.
Now back to hating wolves and loving MT or was it loving and hating milk....er?....what are we loving?
katqanna
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Sweetnectar, thanks for the info, I will have to look into that. I used to milk at a dairy when I was a teenager, but it was not organic. If a cow had mastitis and was being treated, they were milked separately, the milk went down a drain. Yep, that would be disgusting. This could go the way of when I found out pork rinds were fried pig skin, hair and all. Could never touch a pork rind after that.
Okay, back to your wolf issues.
Okay, back to your wolf issues.
shoots-straight
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