U.S. says it will cut costs for clean energy projects on public lands

[Sytes]

Energy independence vs China owned minerals and state owned majority stock in largest mineral extraction companies, worldwide... Meanwhile we laugh over California's inept electrical supply while pandering the Green initiatives.
Yet those who laugh at California now are those who wonder why China is the #1world power and U.S. must kiss China's ass for their minerals.

 

[Benfromalbuquerque]

I hope we figure this out because the woke youth are totally cereal.

Van Gogh's Sunflowers back on display after oil protesters threw soup on it

The Sunflowers painting is on display again after climate activists threw tins of tomato soup on it.

news.yahoo.com

 

[BigHornRam]

I hope we figure this out because the woke youth are totally cereal.

Van Gogh's Sunflowers back on display after oil protesters threw soup on it

The Sunflowers painting is on display again after climate activists threw tins of tomato soup on it.

news.yahoo.com

U K have themselves in an economic death spiral that I don't see a way out of.

Strikes, possible blackouts and a plunging currency: Brits are being hit by a wave of bad news

The U.K. has been beset by a wave of economic and political crises in recent months.

www.cnbc.com

 

[MTGomer]

It’s hard to have much sympathy for the energy woes of Europeans that voted their governments in.
Germany closed nuclear plants to become more reliant on their enemy’s fossil fuels.

 

[Benfromalbuquerque]

It’s hard to have much sympathy for the energy woes of Europeans that voted their governments in.
Germany closed nuclear plants to become more reliant on their enemy’s fossil fuels.

Sure smells like the 1930s, no?

 

[BrentD]

Sure smells like the 1930s, no?

No.

 

[MTGomer]

Sure smells like the 1930s, no?

Hope not

 

[BWALKER77]

Energy independence vs China owned minerals and state owned majority stock in largest mineral extraction companies, worldwide... Meanwhile we laugh over California's inept electrical supply while pandering the Green initiatives.
Yet those who laugh at California now are those who wonder why China is the #1world power and U.S. must kiss China's ass for their minerals.

Every mining or drilling project that comes up is fought vigorously by the usual collection of leftists. See what happened with Pebble mine.
And for what it's worth those Pebble mine opponents have zero problem with a mine in Papua or south America where environmental regulations are much less stringent. In other words NIMBY'ists masquerading as giving a chit about the environment.

 

[BrentD]

Every mining or drilling project that comes up is fought vigorously by the usual collection of leftists. See what happened with Pebble mine.
And for what it's worth those Pebble mine opponents have zero problem with a mine in Papua or south America where environmental regulations are much less stringent. In other words NIMBY'ists masquerading as giving a chit about the environment.

BS

 

[BWALKER77]

BS

Not BS at all. And I am not supprised you would comment as such, given your a flaming lefty yourself.

 

[Irrelevant]

BS

Opponents of Nevada Lithium Mine Take New Approach

Reno-Sparks Indian Colony Requests ‘National Historic’ status for the Thacker Pass.

www.earthisland.org

 

[Irrelevant]

I'm not as pro mine as many on here, but the push back on Thacker is disingenuous at best, and definitely an example of NIMBY.

 

[Big Fin]

Not BS at all. And I am not supprised you would comment as such, given your a flaming lefty yourself.

Get over the habit of hanging tags and labels on anyone with a differing opinion. If you can't get over it, pack your keyboard and go to Facebook.

 

[Sytes]

BS

Brent, not in my backyard is popular U.S. fanfare. Meanwhile, the conditions for labor, mining minerals for their green ideology, is far from acceptable if they wanted to remove their blinders.

US government includes Li-ion batteries in list of goods produced by child labor

The US Department of Labor included lithium-ion batteries among the 158 goods from 77 countries that the department believes are produced by child labor or forced labor.

www.mining.com

Child labour, toxic leaks: the price we could pay for a greener future

Our mission to create cleaner living using natural resources could itself cause widespread environmental harm, scientists now warn

www.theguardian.com

Exposed: Child labour behind smart phone and electric car batteries

Major electronics brands, including Apple, Samsung and Sony, are failing to do basic checks to ensure that cobalt mined by child labourers has not been used in their products, said Amnesty International and Afrewatch in a report published today.

www.amnesty.org

I could go on though you get the idea.

 

[gouch]

I am certainly not opposed to the government subsidizing green energy production. We need to get away from fossil fuels and there has been a long tradition of government subsidies for energy production. But using large tracts of public land to build solar power plants seems environmentally unsound and needless. I know several people including two of my daughters that have solar panels on their houses. They are on a program where they power their home with solar as long as the panels are producing and the power company banks any excess power produced, then sends it back when the panels are not producing. They pay almost nothing for electricity but of course they are paying off the solar panels over a 30-year period.
I looked into it when I was building my house, but I use very little electricity compared to most and I am getting old so the chance of me living long enough for the solar to pay for itself is slim. So, I didn't go solar

However, if a company wanted to lease my roof to put up solar panels or reduce my eclectic rate for the use of my roof, I would be more than willing to let them cover my house with panels. I am sure there are millions of other roof tops and open unused private land they could lease as well, and they are already connected to the grid. Basically, the same model that cell phone companies use to locate their towers. I don't know, maybe there is a reason this isn't being done but it sure makes sense to me.

 

[FI460]

I am certainly not opposed to the government subsidizing green energy production. We need to get away from fossil fuels and there has been a long tradition of government subsidies for energy production. But using large tracts of public land to build solar power plants seems environmentally unsound and needless. I know several people including two of my daughters that have solar panels on their houses. They are on a program where they power their home with solar as long as the panels are producing and the power company banks any excess power produced, then sends it back when the panels are not producing. They pay almost nothing for electricity but of course they are paying off the solar panels over a 30-year period.
I looked into it when I was building my house, but I use very little electricity compared to most and I am getting old so the chance of me living long enough for the solar to pay for itself is slim. So, I didn't go solar

However, if a company wanted to lease my roof to put up solar panels or reduce my eclectic rate for the use of my roof, I would be more than willing to let them cover my house with panels. I am sure there are millions of other roof tops and open unused private land they could lease as well, and they are already connected to the grid. Basically, the same model that cell phone companies use to locate their towers. I don't know, maybe there is a reason this isn't being done but it sure makes sense to me.

One of the criticisms I've seen of rooftop solar is the difficulty for the utility in moderating the grid. I guess I get that.

But locally it seems like we could cover Harry and David, Coast Aluminum, the south Medford hotels, and the remainder of the Armory and it would be a heck of a start. That would be just a few points of connection to the grid that would equate to many homes. I'd prefer that every day over those big old fenced monstrosities they have on highway 140 on the east side.

 

[jryoung]

I am certainly not opposed to the government subsidizing green energy production. We need to get away from fossil fuels and there has been a long tradition of government subsidies for energy production. But using large tracts of public land to build solar power plants seems environmentally unsound and needless. I know several people including two of my daughters that have solar panels on their houses. They are on a program where they power their home with solar as long as the panels are producing and the power company banks any excess power produced, then sends it back when the panels are not producing. They pay almost nothing for electricity but of course they are paying off the solar panels over a 30-year period.
I looked into it when I was building my house, but I use very little electricity compared to most and I am getting old so the chance of me living long enough for the solar to pay for itself is slim. So, I didn't go solar

However, if a company wanted to lease my roof to put up solar panels or reduce my eclectic rate for the use of my roof, I would be more than willing to let them cover my house with panels. I am sure there are millions of other roof tops and open unused private land they could lease as well, and they are already connected to the grid. Basically, the same model that cell phone companies use to locate their towers. I don't know, maybe there is a reason this isn't being done but it sure makes sense to me.

Leasing (TPO third party owner) has been done at incredible levels, many solar companies were built on that model. I worked on a couple of funds worth nearly a half billion with funding from Citi, HSBC and BofA.

Not sure where everything is at now and the mix of lease or buy.

 

[Sytes]

worked on a couple of funds worth nearly a half billion with funding from Citi, HSBC and BofA.

Publicly traded? Do you know their ticker?

Looks like TAN is the ETF for Solar shingles, etc.

DQ and CSIQ appear to be the larger of the collective.

 

[jryoung]

CAFD, it was the pet project of our CFO at the time who wanted a YieldCo. It all wrapped up now, but that was after my time. We had a lot of other TPO financing done in house as well at the time.

8point3 Energy Partners Announces Closing of Merger Transaction

/PRNewswire/ -- 8point3 Energy Partners LP (NASDAQ:CAFD) (8point3 or the Partnership) today announced that it has closed the mergers and other transactions...

www.prnewswire.com

 

[BWALKER77]

I am certainly not opposed to the government subsidizing green energy production. We need to get away from fossil fuels and there has been a long tradition of government subsidies for energy production. But using large tracts of public land to build solar power plants seems environmentally unsound and needless. I know several people including two of my daughters that have solar panels on their houses. They are on a program where they power their home with solar as long as the panels are producing and the power company banks any excess power produced, then sends it back when the panels are not producing. They pay almost nothing for electricity but of course they are paying off the solar panels over a 30-year period.
I looked into it when I was building my house, but I use very little electricity compared to most and I am getting old so the chance of me living long enough for the solar to pay for itself is slim. So, I didn't go solar

However, if a company wanted to lease my roof to put up solar panels or reduce my eclectic rate for the use of my roof, I would be more than willing to let them cover my house with panels. I am sure there are millions of other roof tops and open unused private land they could lease as well, and they are already connected to the grid. Basically, the same model that cell phone companies use to locate their towers. I don't know, maybe there is a reason this isn't being done but it sure makes sense to me.

Here in Billings,MT USA we get hail storms on a regular basis that would damage the hell out of roof top solar panels. I've had 3 new roofs put on in 6 years. Plus the northern half of the country is not ideally suited to solar.
Of course that didn't stop a solar project from being built just outside of town here...with US taxpayer dollars no doubt. And this project will completely destroy 150 acres of virgin land. At least wind is a bit more friendly in that regard.
In truth wind a solar are a complete joke. If we wanted to get serious about clean energy nuclear is the only way.