Trump Rescinds Ban on OHV use on Public Lands

[rogerthat]

Better read it again and apply some thought. It’s all going to be okay right? Until it’s not

 

[WyoCoalMiner]

2025 was the year of the overflowing FS shitter. 2026 appears to be the year of ATV Thunderdome. Wonder what 2027 will be?

 

[BigHornRam]

2025 was the year of the overflowing FS shitter. 2026 appears to be the year of ATV Thunderdome. Wonder what 2027 will be?

Wilderness sheep tag in Wyoming?

 

[rogerthat]

2025 was the year of the overflowing FS shitter. 2026 appears to be the year of ATV Thunderdome. Wonder what 2027 will be?

It’s going to be the year of some accountability despite your blind short sighted loyalty. I’m here for it

Edit to add this is coming from a conservative ranch kid( yeah one of gods annointed people)

 

[WyoCoalMiner]

It’s going to be the year of some accountability despite your blind short sighted loyalty. I’m here for it

I hope you are right. I think its great when folks are held accountable.

Just so I have an idea what you are talking about, who or what do I have short-sighted loyalty to?

 

[Irrelevant]

2025 was the year of the overflowing FS shitter. 2026 appears to be the year of overflowing shitters and ATV Thunderdome.

Schrier Renews Call For Trump Administration To Address Deteriorating Conditions In The Enchantments

U.S. Rep. Kim Schrier is renewing her call for the Trump administration to address deteriorating conditions in The Enchantments area of the Alpine Lakes Wilderness, warning that overcrowding, sanitation problems

www.yoursourceone.com

"She also pointed to ongoing problems with bathroom facilities, saying that more than nine months after she first raised concerns about overflowing facilities, waste tanks remain full..."

 

[Irrelevant]

I think its great when folks are held accountable.

This is a top down directive from people who won't be in office for that much longer, maybe a couple of years at best. How could they be held accountable for impacts in 5 years? The president has made the case that he's personally immune to prosecution while in office and from actions originating from his duties as president (help me if I misconstrue that).

Let's look at his own press release:
Executive Order 11644 and Executive Order 11989 direct agencies to promulgate regulations providing that, where off-road vehicle use is permitted on Federal lands, roads, and trails, such use designations must be made in accordance with ill-defined criteria purportedly intended to minimize resource impacts and conflicts between different users of Federal land. These criteria, which are not required by statute, are difficult for agencies to operationalize due to vagueness, and include “minimiz[ing] harassment of wildlife or significant disruption of wildlife habitats,” minimizing “conflicts between off-road vehicle use and other existing or proposed recreational uses . . . taking into account noise and other factors,” and ensuring that off-road vehicle use in given locations will not “adversely affect [the location’s] natural, aesthetic, or scenic values.” These vague, subjective criteria often result in barriers to energy and timber production and utility maintenance, permit delays, and de facto bans on hiking and other forms of recreation that require accessing remote areas, all while doing little to benefit multiple use of Federal lands.

1. Do we want to harass and disrupt wildlife? Do we want to make running over predators with snowmobiles legal?
2. As sportmen, and formerly conservationists, do we think that there should be barriers to extraction (note, it doesn't say recreation) when it impacts wildlife or other users? We laud our conservation forefathers and their efforts to protect wildlife and our hunting heritage, but I wonder if we've ever actually read what they said/wrote? Would Teddy agree with the repeal of these EO's?
3. Off-road restrictions are creating de facto hiking bans? What kind of drugs are they on? What kind of Kool-Aid enema do you need to believe that?

 

[WyoCoalMiner]

Schrier Renews Call For Trump Administration To Address Deteriorating Conditions In The Enchantments

U.S. Rep. Kim Schrier is renewing her call for the Trump administration to address deteriorating conditions in The Enchantments area of the Alpine Lakes Wilderness, warning that overcrowding, sanitation problems

www.yoursourceone.com

"She also pointed to ongoing problems with bathroom facilities, saying that more than nine months after she first raised concerns about overflowing facilities, waste tanks remain full..."

Yep, it happens. Not the first time someone has encountered a full vault toilet wont be the last. In my experience 2025 was not noticeably different than any other year. Maybe FS and BLM run different in WY and ID than in WA.

 

[WyoCoalMiner]

This is a top down directive from people who won't be in office for that much longer, maybe a couple of years at best. How could they be held accountable for impacts in 5 years? The president has made the case that he's personally immune to prosecution while in office and from actions originating from his duties as president (help me if I misconstrue that).

Let's look at his own press release:
Executive Order 11644 and Executive Order 11989 direct agencies to promulgate regulations providing that, where off-road vehicle use is permitted on Federal lands, roads, and trails, such use designations must be made in accordance with ill-defined criteria purportedly intended to minimize resource impacts and conflicts between different users of Federal land. These criteria, which are not required by statute, are difficult for agencies to operationalize due to vagueness, and include “minimiz[ing] harassment of wildlife or significant disruption of wildlife habitats,” minimizing “conflicts between off-road vehicle use and other existing or proposed recreational uses . . . taking into account noise and other factors,” and ensuring that off-road vehicle use in given locations will not “adversely affect [the location’s] natural, aesthetic, or scenic values.” These vague, subjective criteria often result in barriers to energy and timber production and utility maintenance, permit delays, and de facto bans on hiking and other forms of recreation that require accessing remote areas, all while doing little to benefit multiple use of Federal lands.

1. Do we want to harass and disrupt wildlife? Do we want to make running over predators with snowmobiles legal?
2. As sportmen, and formerly conservationists, do we think that there should be barriers to extraction (note, it doesn't say recreation) when it impacts wildlife or other users? We laud our conservation forefathers and their efforts to protect wildlife and our hunting heritage, but I wonder if we've ever actually read what they said/wrote? Would Teddy agree with the repeal of these EO's?
3. Off-road restrictions are creating de facto hiking bans? What kind of drugs are they on? What kind of Kool-Aid enema do you need to believe that?

1) I think the issue, just spit balling here as I didn't write the EO, is with the wording "minimize". The EO points to vagueness as the issue with the prior EO's. How to define minimize seems like it might be the sticking point. Kind of a leap to get that this EO will make running over critters with a snowmobile legal but that's exactly the type of hyperbole I'm talking about.
2) Absolutely there should be barriers to extraction. And there are. Many. Regardless of the status of the prior two EO's. To think that the latest EO is the removal of the last hurdle and from here on out its "mine/log it all" is ridiculous. Don't know how Teddy would feel. After he got done shooting the shit out of every critter he saw as he worked his way across the West he may very well be pissed off about the removal of those two EO's.
3) This one confused me as well. No idea what they are getting at with that line.

 

[Hilljackoutlaw]

Im not choosing any sides here, but i dont see this changing anything. Every year for the last 10 years I watch people drive on prohibited land while im hunting. Never seen anything enforced. Those people will continue to do that the same as before. The people who obeyed the "law" will continue to not do it because they dont think we should drive in those places whether law says we can or not.

Rage on!

 

[Treeshark]

“She also pointed to ongoing problems with bathroom facilities, saying that more than nine months after she first raised concerns about overflowing facilities, waste tanks remain full..."

If it bleeds, it leads… but if it smells, it sells!

 

[Hilljackoutlaw]

And in 3 years it will be rescinded back the other way. And 30 years from now we can all tell our grandchildren we lived thru the OHV assault of the 2020s. Let's just hope the PTSD that will follow isnt to bad.