Retiring in the Pacific Northwest

This is part of the question presented in their briefing by the appellants in this Supreme Court case. Please take a closer look at the law. It's pretty outrageous.

"Viewing parents as the problem, Washington passed laws that deliberately target certain parents by supplanting them with the state in the context of gender-confused runaway minors: Whenever a child runs away, so long as he or she asks for “genderaffirming treatment,” a cascade of events is triggered. First, the child is referred for “gender-affirming treatment” without parental notice or consent. Second, parents can be kept in the dark as to the child’s location and condition. And third, reunification can be significantly delayed, with conditions for that reunification uncertain and entirely up to the state."
I read the appellate court decision and dissent. It isn’t a question of if I think it is outrageous or not. Or even if agree or disagree with a side. The core dispute is about a longstanding law letting a kid 13 determine their medical care independently. If it gets to that point, I have failed as a parent.

The law was also in response to Idaho banning the care. So the pattern seems to be Idaho goes crazy right and Washington goes crazy left.
 
I read the appellate court decision and dissent. It isn’t a question of if I think it is outrageous or not. Or even if agree or disagree with a side. The core dispute is about a longstanding law letting a kid 13 determine their medical care independently. If it gets to that point, I have failed as a parent.

The law was also in response to Idaho banning the care. So the pattern seems to be Idaho goes crazy right and Washington goes crazy left.
It’s a longstanding law but also a reaction to Idaho?
 
I could tell you horror stories about the bat shit crazy stuff that goes on around Seattle. However I am reminded that evil triumphs when good men do nothing. Good people still live in Washington. To a large extent you can just shake your head at the crazyiness and go on with life. Idaho is a little crazy as well. I really didn’t think it rained that much in Stevenson but if it’s gas prices you worry about buy your gas in Oregon. The OP wants to live near his kids. Southern Washington would work and it’s full of “normal” people. Both states had long histories of being relatively conservative or rationally progressive. Low voter turnout, “that’s stupid that will never pass” attitude has been prevalent for years. The rational people need to vote to fix Oregon and Washington. The OP has quite a few options that will provide a decent experience with his family.
I’ll send him a listing from just up the road tonight.
 
I find it odd that banning something as significant and life changing as gender modification for minors is viewed as "crazy right".

Best of luck Greybeard in your search for a place to settle. Spent some time in both Oregon and Washington. Worked in Portland in the 2010's. Found it enjoyable. Different that Wyo for sure but I enjoyed my time there. All I can say now is what I see and read on the news so not sure how accurate it is but it does not paint a pleasant picture. Wife has an aunt that lives in Portland and she is crazier than a shithouse rat, so there is that.

Almost took a job in Centralia, WA. Liked the area very much at the time. I could have easily seen myself working there but went to CO instead. Lots of great areas in the PNW to live, also sounds like a few to avoid.
 
I read the appellate court decision and dissent. It isn’t a question of if I think it is outrageous or not. Or even if agree or disagree with a side. The core dispute is about a longstanding law letting a kid 13 determine their medical care independently. If it gets to that point, I have failed as a parent.

The law was also in response to Idaho banning the care. So the pattern seems to be Idaho goes crazy right and Washington goes crazy left.
Its a tough one. I know of a daughter of a former local legislator who waa very strictly religious, and his view of his faith held that being gay was a sin and something that could be prayed away.

Sadly for her his daughter was gay, and as a teen they forced her into a "conversion" therapy program.

During one of her fathers campaigns to be re-elected she spoke to the press about it, what it did to her, and how it has broken the family, probably permanently. Very sad situation.

So I agree, the parent(s) are the problem.

Some of those parents are making everything more difficult for kids and school boards across the midwest.

But most any effort to protect the kids raises other issues. Any "fix" often creates other problems.
 
I personally think almost all the political hate is fabricated. WA and OR are amazing places to live and work. While some policies passed at the state level are idiotic, they rarely affect your day to day life
Ageee to a point. I get how someone barely making it in retirement would search out lower cost states to live, for example. Most of the complainers praise states that get them in other ways though. Like low income taxes but sky high property taxes.

If you are retiring in a solid middle class or better position though, with income above the bare necessity level, seems to me the recreational options, access to and cost of good health care, and other benefits should play a role.
 
It’s a longstanding law but also a reaction to Idaho?
It’s not just one law being applied. It is actually three. The newest only deals with communication for those seeking gender affirmative care, which was a reaction to Idaho banning it. It is a complicated and far more complex case than either group screaming about trans rights. The case is about whether the parents have standing - ie proving they were harmed. Simply falling back on political views around genders is easy but misses the point.
 
The core dispute is about a longstanding law letting a kid 13 determine their medical care independently. If it gets to that point, I have failed as a parent.
I actually really hate this law, like it's one of the few counter points to my claim that most of the shit that passes doesn't actually affect me. This law prevents my complete access to my kids MyChart info, so I can't see any of their info, I can't make appointments, I can't confirm appointments as I frantically try to get them from school to one of the 42 different GD buildings Confluence Health has. And all because that law grants 13 yr olds the ability to make sexual and mental health care choices. Honestly I'm probably pretty okay with that, or at least would be okay with it if the child requested it, but I am still the one who handles all the other health issues and my kids are equally shocked/surprised that they now have to remember their MyChart login, remember when and who they're seeing, where the office is located, etc. it might be good for them in the long run but it's led to some incredibly frustrating days.
 
I actually really hate this law, like it's one of the few counter points to my claim that most of the shit that passes doesn't actually affect me. This law prevents my complete access to my kids MyChart info, so I can't see any of their info, I can't make appointments, I can't confirm appointments as I frantically try to get them from school to one of the 42 different GD buildings Confluence Health has. And all because that law grants 13 yr olds the ability to make sexual and mental health care choices. Honestly I'm probably pretty okay with that, or at least would be okay with it if the child requested it, but I am still the one who handles all the other health issues and my kids are equally shocked/surprised that they now have to remember their MyChart login, remember when and who they're seeing, where the office is located, etc. it might be good for them in the long run but it's led to some incredibly frustrating days.
My feelings exactly. But like most laws, I find a way for it to affect me the least. I just try to remember what circumstances led to the law being created. Like I said, bad parenting. I make sure my kid feels she can come to us for anything. ANYTHING. Even if I may not understand or agree, I will listen and not be judgmental. So health decisions are still shared, even if she has her own Mychart.

Also, just ordered ammo for the rifle and it got delivered to me in 2 days. I'm not sure what caused all the bitching and moaning about that law a while back.
 
My feelings exactly. But like most laws, I find a way for it to affect me the least. I just try to remember what circumstances led to the law being created. Like I said, bad parenting. I make sure my kid feels she can come to us for anything. ANYTHING. Even if I may not understand or agree, I will listen and not be judgmental. So health decisions are still shared, even if she has her own Mychart.

Also, just ordered ammo for the rifle and it got delivered to me in 2 days. I'm not sure what caused all the bitching and moaning about that law a while back.
Man the older I get the less objective "bad parenting" is. Says who? I think it's pretty arrogant of the state to think it's better. I also question if the good it offers to those very rare circumstances outweighs the bad for every other family.
 
Man the older I get the less objective "bad parenting" is. Says who? I think it's pretty arrogant of the state to think it's better. I also question if the good it offers to those very rare circumstances outweighs the bad for every other family.

I wasn't aware of this law, and having just driven four 13-year olds 100 miles across the State of Montana, and being the parent of one, they are unequivocally idiots and should not have sole dominion over medical choices at that age.

Outside of some very limited mental health situations after the age of 16, in Montana parents have access and serve as their representation till they're 18.
 
OP, lived in both states. I find a lot of the stuff folks complain about really don’t affect me in a political sense. I don’t immerse myself in it and I find other stuff to do besides worry and complain about it.

OR has income tax and no sales tax. WA is the opposite. I don’t know how property taxes compare.

If I were picking solely on recreation, OR is the easy choice. The hunting opportunities are better IMO. I fish both states.
 
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I don't have the ability to figure out why lawmakers pass the laws they do. I'm not that delusional.

It seems to me that letting kids do irreversible harm to themselves should be a "right" that comes at adulthood. Or, we should let them marry as a kid, buy guns, drop out of school, get tattoos, drink alcohol at young ages, etc, etc. Are they adults or not?
 
Man the older I get the less objective "bad parenting" is. Says who? I think it's pretty arrogant of the state to think it's better. I also question if the good it offers to those very rare circumstances outweighs the bad for every other family.
Fair point. I don't think the state thinks it is better. The laws are simply trying to avoid placing the child back in a dangerous environment. It's a mess, like every other state. Like you, I'm not really sure how I feel about the various laws. They are a bit of a pain but I can envision both good and bad outcomes. Even some where the law is followed but it may not be in the kid's best interest. The wife is ER and the stories from that cohort will definitely allow you insight into the nature of parenting these days. I don't pretend to know the solution. It's sad really. But like I said, it's the same in every state.
 
This law prevents my complete access to my kids MyChart info, so I can't see any of their info, I can't make appointments, I can't confirm appointments as I frantically try to get them from school to one of the 42 different GD buildings Confluence Health has. And all because that law grants 13 yr olds the ability to make sexual and mental health care choices.
Stupid law. It’d drive my stalker wife crazy
 

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