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[Nuts]

I feel that is conflating two variables though. Yes, illegal immigration is a crime. So is speeding- I’m not sure either one is indicative of the likelihood of committing violent crime. Illegal immigrants have not been shown to engage in violent crime more than the general population as far as I’m aware (I’ve seen studies that show less).

Not giving free pass to illegal immigration, but the violent crime angle is on weak logical footing imo.

Wait what? The remedy for both is easy.

1. Driving is a privilege. Not a right. So you lose that right if you speed to much and tickets don't solve it.
2. Coming into our country is also not a right. And not a privilege. You can't be here. We deport you. Problem solved.

How in Gods green earth are we comparing speeding tickets to illegally entering our country??

 

[Treeshark]

How in Gods green earth are we comparing speeding tickets to illegally entering our country??

They are both “crimes” that have nothing to do with ones likeliness to commit a violent crime.

 

[Nuts]

They are both “crimes” that have nothing to do with ones likeliness to commit a violent crime.

That I can agree with. Doe not change what the outcome for both is in my mind. But I think the this is now the argument being made since for some reason simply being illegally here isn't enough for some. For me it is.

 

[88man]

You realize that you are implying that its ok to redact/protect pedos and rapists now because...if we are to believe your point...Biden did too?

Was that really your intent?

My intent was to hear the thoughts of the left think tank and why they thought it wasn't done previously.

 

[Carnage2011]

I feel that is conflating two variables though. Yes, illegal immigration is a crime. So is speeding- I’m not sure either one is indicative of the likelihood of committing violent crime. Illegal immigrants have not been shown to engage in violent crime more than the general population as far as I’m aware (I’ve heard of studies that show less).

Not giving free pass to illegal immigration, but the violent crime angle is on weak logical footing imo.

I disagree. If you weren’t here illegally then the crime couldn’t have been committed.

Comparing speeding and illegally entering a country seems like a weak argument to me.

 

[Carnage2011]

IMO, the system for vetting, certifying, and allowing "people coming here legally" is woefully ineffective due to a structure not capable of handling so many who wish to live as US citizens. That system has been too little, too broken, too long. That failed system is what has resulted in border problems and in immigrants entering illegally. By in large, they have little other reasonably expeditious means of becoming "citizens".
I have recently conjectured that if I were from Venezuela, Haiti, or Somalia ... it might be that I would be an "illegal immigrant" living under the radar in Butte, America!

I agree that the system to enter legally is poor and needs drastic overhaul.

 

[jimh406]

the violent crime angle is on weak logical footing imo.

The crimes from "some" of the illegals are very significant to me even though you may not be hearing about them from your news. I guess we can disagree with how many crimes are significant. If your loved one was killed or raped by an illegal, you might think one is too many. How many gang members do we want from other countries? I think we can agree zero but maybe not.

The information is out there if you want to look. There's been quite a few posts on X with listings of the types of crimes "some" have created. The administration has also shown laminated cards with the people on them as well. Sure, "some" people who walked across the border aren't bad people, but that doesn't mean that "some" aren't extremely violent and are not providing any benefit to the country.

No country can sustain an unlimited number of people crossing their border. We are seeing some countries in Europe realizing it as well. The EU experiment of open borders is failing as well, so it isn't just a US problem. Some of the people have no interest in assimilating and are just enjoying a target rich environment to commit crimes.

 

[Bonasababy]

Illegal immigrants. That’s the issue…I have zero issue with people coming here legally. If “illegal” immigrants are committing crimes it could have been avoided if they weren’t here. That’s a crime that shouldn’t have taken place. I’m not comparing them to a US Citizen because citizens have a right to be here. If 6 illegal immigrants commit a crime, that’s 6 more than there should be.

If only we agreed on the definition of illegal. Most of the people ICE is targeting have the legal right to be here, they just are not citizens--yet. The administration even ordered final citizenship celebrations to be stopped for people that did it all right and were to be granted citizenship, so they can be detained and add to the quota numbers of individual officers and add to the total the administration is falsely claiming "Worst of the worst, taken off our streets".

There isn't nearly as much dispute over those here illegally who have not sought asylum, green cards, been working and contributing to the economy etc. as most that still support the administration think. It's all the abuses going after people doing it right--and people that ARE US citizens--that is the main problem.

 

[Treeshark]

I guess we can disagree with how many crimes are significant. If your loved one was killed or raped by an illegal, you might think one is too many.

If my wife was killed or raped by a speeder, I’d have the same thought. My point is that from a macro/statistics viewpoint, there does not appear to be a correlation.

I agree with most of the rest of your post though. It is an issue that should have been dealt with many years ago, through different means than is currently being used. Just my opinion.

I would say I’m anti illegal immigration, but not necessarily anti illegal immigrant. I know those two things may be incongruent, but that’s how I feel.

 

[jimh406]

Most of the people ICE is targeting have the legal right to be here

Seriously though, do you really believe "Most"?

 

[Bonasababy]

Seriously though, do you really believe "Most"?

Based on what we see in judges ordering release of those fortunate enough to get a lawyer before they were wisked away out of state with no lawyers allowed, yes.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/courts-have-ruled-4400-times-that-ice-jailed-people-illegally-it-hasnt-stopped-2026-02-14/

 

[BuzzH]

Might be worth a read...

As ICE Arrests Increased, a Higher Portion Had No U.S. Criminal Record - FactCheck.org

While the Trump administration insists that it is targeting the "worst of the worst" in its immigration enforcement, it has not provided information to substantiate that, and the data that is available suggests the claim has become less accurate over time.

www.factcheck.org

 

[jimh406]

Based on what we see in judges ordering release of those fortunate enough to get a lawyer before they were wisked away out of state with no lawyers allowed, yes.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/courts-have-ruled-4400-times-that-ice-jailed-people-illegally-it-hasnt-stopped-2026-02-14/

Let's keep in mind that judges frequently make political rulings that are overturned. Reuters is a political source.

But, even if it wasn't, you are thinking only 8799 illegals have been jailed? That's way off from the actual total. Maybe you meant "many". At least that could be argued as somewhat accurate.

 

[hank4elk]

Seen 2 bangers in cuffs. On TV.
No tats on any of these folks and certainly not the Mexican bangers I've seen.

Just last week filling my truck at gas station Socorro,a blacked out Navigator pulled in and I saw 4 Full Tatface and 2 were carrying guns under their shirts. Mexican plates.
How did they drive through 2 border checkpoints?

Have the DHS Vermach stationed at every port of entry and open every car to container.
Maybe some of them are trained at forklift?