OR ballot to end hunting, fishing, ranching, dairy farming. . .

[sapperJ24]

Your quote doesn't show it, but everything in italics is set to be struck from current law.

Bold is an addition, italics is removal, so essentially everything in the above quote will be removed from exemption.

It's a weird convention for ballot petitions.

Thank you for the clarification, that makes more sense. I guess it sounded too fantastical that a group would try to pass this, so in an attempt to be more informed, I became less iformed. Commence the opposition!

I'm used to the strike-through method. I thought the italics were strange and some weird point of emphasis.

 

[belshawelk]

The eastern 2/3 of Oregon might just use this as more traction to split the state

While I would love this it’s impossible. All 50 states have to approve a state moving boundary plus the house and senate. Other blue states would never let it happen.

 

[jabber]

I'm not surprised that all of the diehard democrats on here have somehow missed this thread.

I hope the voters in Oregon are able to kill this.

 

[El Jason]

I'm not surprised that all of the diehard democrats on here have somehow missed this thread.

I hope the voters in Oregon are able to kill this.

How do you know they missed and didn’t do anything about it?

 

[BuzzH]

I'm not surprised that all of the diehard democrats on here have somehow missed this thread.

I hope the voters in Oregon are able to kill this.

Life member of BHA for a reason, the Oregon Chapter is opposed and working this one.

What are you doing?

 

[jabber]

What are you doing?

Just checking to see how the fishing is doing on here. Looks like they are biting

 

[BuzzH]

Just checking to see how the fishing is doing on here. Looks like they are biting

So, in other words, you're doing nothing.

Figures.

 

[El Jason]

Just checking to see how the fishing is doing on here. Looks like they are biting

But you can’t answer the question?

 

[SAJ-99]

But you can’t answer the question?

He posted on the internet insulting a group of people who's help is needed to get what he wants. So a negative contribution?

 

[bayoublaster7527]

Ballot initiatives like IP 28 in OR and 302-Right to Hunt/Fish in CO are too important to devolve into partisan bickering.

You win through addition, not subtraction.

 

[jryoung]

My buddy in Portland said this is where the initiative started.

Google Search

 

[Laszlo Cravensworth]

My buddy in Portland said this is where the initiative started.

Google Search

I was just at a bachelor party up there a few weeks ago.

Tried to talk my vegan buddy into going there. He was a no. He's also a no on ip28.

 

[Rack Daniels]

As this impacts me in no way whatsoever, there's some amusement to the hand-wringing here.

First, quoting the initial post, "Oregon Initiative Petition 28, which its proponents call the PEACE Act, would criminalize any intentional harm to an animal in the state of Oregon. In practice, that means ... ranching and all meat production and processing become criminal acts. It means breeding dairy cows for milk is outlawed." For the opponents, this is a pretty amusing way to admit that ranching and meat production are intentionally harmful (emphasis mine).

Second, I took a look at the proposal and seems like the proposed amendments to existing law are mostly for bedding/shelter standards, generally applied to domestic animals, concerns on self-defense, changing some stuff on sexual abuse of animals, and changes to violation classes and punishments.

Finally, the proposal gets down to Section 9, which is as follows (bold is the proposed amended text): [edit: italics signify removal, leaving only a and b]

"Section 9. ORS 167.335 is amended to read:
(1) Except as provided in subsection (2) of this section, unless gross negligence can be shown, the provisions of ORS 167.315 (Animal abuse in the second degree) to 167.333 (Sexual assault of an animal) do not apply to:
(a) [The treatment of livestock being transported by owner or common carrier;]Situations of self-defense when it is necessary to defend against the threat of immediate harm to oneself, to other humans, or to other animals;
(b) Animals involved in rodeos or similar exhibitions;
(c) Commercially grown poultry;
(d) Animals subject to good animal husbandry practices;
(e) The killing of livestock according to the provisions of ORS 603.065 (Slaughter methods);
(f)](b) Animals subject to good veterinary practices as described in ORS 686.030 (Acts constituting practice of veterinary medicine);
(g) Lawful fishing, hunting and trapping activities;
(h) Wildlife management practices under color of law;
(i) Lawful scientific or agricultural research or teaching that involves the use of animals;
(j) Reasonable activities undertaken in connection with the control of vermin or pests; and
(k) Reasonable handling and training techniques."

Maybe I'm misreading something here, but seems like typical livestock and animal husbandry, hunting and fishing, and pest control are all exempt from this proposal. [Edit, definitely misinterpreted the format].

Link to the bill: https://sos.oregon.gov/admin/Documents/irr/2026/028text.pdf

Am I reading this right?
“Unless gross negligence can be shown, the provisions of …ORS 167.333 (sexual assault of an animal) do not apply to:
A-K……!?
What a weird law

 

[Irrelevant]

I read a little bit about this law this morning. This is a great example of why the right will keep winning. Someone needs to go beat up some vegans in Portland. Tell them to take their concerns to the green party and get it out of a mainstream politics. These types of highly divisive and delusional efforts are the fodder used to keep otherwise rational people either on the other team, or out of the game entirely. This is so fundamentally disconnected from reality that it begs, "Can we vote these crazy cat ladies off the island?"

 

[SAJ-99]

I read a little bit about this law this morning. This is a great example of why the right will keep winning. Someone needs to go beat up some vegans in Portland. Tell them to take their concerns to the green party and get it out of a mainstream politics. These types of highly divisive and delusional efforts are the fodder used to keep otherwise rational people either on the other team, or out of the game entirely. This is so fundamentally disconnected from reality that it begs, "Can we vote these crazy cat ladies off the island?"

Sure, but the solution is simple- Make people aware and get them to vote. Even the crazy cat lady gets a say in a democracy.

 

[Irrelevant]

Sure, but the solution is simple- Make people aware and get them to vote. Even the crazy cat lady gets a say in a democracy.

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No, awareness is not the solution. The problem is not this particular petition, the problem is that our freedom and free-speech-above-all-else, coupled with being generationally removed from actual reality, has created such fringe ideas that they are actually harmful to society. The solution has to be stronger (which is the biggest issue with the liberal side of our country, they're viewed as too weak on just about everything), it has to be some form of rebuke that somehow "enlightens" these people that their ideas are not wanted and that they actually represent all of the things they hate about the other team.

 

[Laszlo Cravensworth]

I read a little bit about this law this morning. This is a great example of why the right will keep winning. Someone needs to go beat up some vegans in Portland. Tell them to take their concerns to the green party and get it out of a mainstream politics. These types of highly divisive and delusional efforts are the fodder used to keep otherwise rational people either on the other team, or out of the game entirely. This is so fundamentally disconnected from reality that it begs, "Can we vote these crazy cat ladies off the island?"

Yes, but...

This is not a mainstream view. I hang out with a bunch of Democrats and folks even farther left and none of them support it. Talked to two vegan friends in the last month that are opposed to it. Even Tina Kotek, who if you ask most hunters in southern Oregon is a socialist fascist communist (insert your expletive), has come out against it.

Gov. Tina Kotek gives statement regarding IP 28

The measure would criminalize hunting and fishing practices, as well as some animal breeding and research.

www.kdrv.com

Nobody except the fringe whackos and the woefully uninformed is aligned with PETA, and most folks know that.

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No, awareness is not the solution. The problem is not this particular petition, the problem is that our freedom and free-speech-above-all-else, coupled with being generationally removed from actual reality, has created such fringe ideas that they are actually harmful to society. The solution has to be stronger (which is the biggest issue with the liberal side of our country, they're viewed as too weak on just about everything), it has to be some form of rebuke that somehow "enlightens" these people that their ideas are not wanted and that they actually represent all of the things they hate about the other team.

I agree with your broader point that we should be meaner to folks with fringe beliefs.

 

[SAJ-99]

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No, awareness is not the solution. The problem is not this particular petition, the problem is that our freedom and free-speech-above-all-else, coupled with being generationally removed from actual reality, has created such fringe ideas that they are actually harmful to society. The solution has to be stronger (which is the biggest issue with the liberal side of our country, they're viewed as too weak on just about everything), it has to be some form of rebuke that somehow "enlightens" these people that their ideas are not wanted and that they actually represent all of the things they hate about the other team.

You aren't going to get rid of fringe people or fringe ideas because the definition of "Fringe" depends on an individual's circumstances. Some people in Colorado may have thought the wolf reintroduced was a fringe idea, other thought it was a great idea. Maybe next will be laws to ban datacenters. The core problem in politics is people want everything so they don't have to worry about having to participate and debate ideas. What is really needed is an informed citizenry and more participation. But then people get mad when they don't get everything they want.

My answer was in response to this particular ballot. It is simple. Make people aware of the consequences and ask them to vote. That is how you get rid of dumb ideas. And even then, some people will vote for it. Not much any of us can do about it.

 

[Irrelevant]

You aren't going to get rid of fringe people or fringe ideas because the definition of "Fringe" depends on an individual's circumstances.

100 years ago, if you had started an initiative to ban ranching, hunting, and fishing, you'd have been run out of town. It was so fringe, so absurd, as to be not even laughable.

I mean, if we're going to "accept" this just par for the course of fringe beliefs, then we might as well resign ourselves to seeing initiatives making Scientology the official American (state) religion and abortions mandatory.

 

[SAJ-99]

I mean, if we're going to "accept" this just par for the course of fringe beliefs, then we might as well resign ourselves to seeing initiatives making Scientology the official American (state) religion and abortions mandatory.

Sorry, but stupid beliefs is a condition of democracy. I see you picked Scientology to make a point, but would you be surprised to see a state try to make Christianity the official religion despite the Establishment Clause? We took until the 19th amendment to give women the right to vote and some people thought that was fringe. We have to be comfortable with the majority deciding on these ideas. Otherwise we just get one batshit crazy guy doing it.