It's the document I linked above.
Obama trying to lock up millions of acres of public land
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It's the document I linked above.
krshunter
Active member
Oak,
You're right. I thought maybe there were parts that were a little different but it doesn't look like it. I guess the bottom line is land owners at this point aren't obligated to sell anything. They are more than frustrated however that this document was in place with budgets already established for making purchases and they way they found out was because information was leaked. Land owners in the subject Wyoming areas view this as a very poor effort by the President to get something passed during his term with everything else being a failure to this point and they don't appreciate the assumption that they are for sale. Most of these owners do a pretty good job already of assiting with conservation.
I'm not sure what to think about the whole thing myself. If land owners don't sell, what will the Presidents next step be?
You're right. I thought maybe there were parts that were a little different but it doesn't look like it. I guess the bottom line is land owners at this point aren't obligated to sell anything. They are more than frustrated however that this document was in place with budgets already established for making purchases and they way they found out was because information was leaked. Land owners in the subject Wyoming areas view this as a very poor effort by the President to get something passed during his term with everything else being a failure to this point and they don't appreciate the assumption that they are for sale. Most of these owners do a pretty good job already of assiting with conservation.
I'm not sure what to think about the whole thing myself. If land owners don't sell, what will the Presidents next step be?
The amount of money proposed for the acquisition is pretty staggering considering the budgets cuts the BLM may be facing this year. 
Declaration of eminent domain on any of these lands would greatly strain any sort of working relationships between the landowers IME/O. It'd be interesting to see how many landowners will bite on the $6000/acre that is budgeted for these lands. I know many that I don't think would at that price...
Declaration of eminent domain on any of these lands would greatly strain any sort of working relationships between the landowers IME/O. It'd be interesting to see how many landowners will bite on the $6000/acre that is budgeted for these lands. I know many that I don't think would at that price...
JoseCuervo
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Any of you BarStool experts have a clue what the following statement means????
Just because somebody drafted a document to investigate solutions or ideas does not mean
Ranchers in Wyoming sure get their panties wadded up quickly..... Why don't they go back to ruining My Public Lands with their welfare cattle, shooting our game animals, and wearing Tin Hats.
Just because somebody drafted a document to investigate solutions or ideas does not mean
or that anyone was putting a "budget" in place to buy the land.
Ranchers in Wyoming sure get their panties wadded up quickly..... Why don't they go back to ruining My Public Lands with their welfare cattle, shooting our game animals, and wearing Tin Hats.
krshunter
Active member
Since we're lumping all "Ranchers in Wyoming" into one category maybe all of the outdoorsmen resident and non, that enjoy these private lands in soutwest Wyoming (or other states) for both recreation and hunting won't mind if they just start fencing everything off and keeping their cattle on their private lands. Then we don't have to worry about them grazing the public lands that we won't have access to any longer with the exception of very limited county roads with recorded access easements.
In Wyoming at least "we" often take for granted the amount of access we have across both private and public lands simply because a road of some sort exists. And I've seen "sportsman' abuse both the private and public land like it's theirs to destroy. Land owners in many cases don't fence their lands and don't keep sportsmen out when we are actually trespassing their land thinking we have some right to get to the public. The only "legal" access we have to areas like the checkerboarded public lands is across county roads with established easements. In some areas the county roads don't even have recorded easements. Say what you want about grazing cattle or sheep or anything else but i feel pretty fortunate to have nearly unlimited access to hundreds of thousands of acres in southwestern Wyoming. I'm not afforded that luxury on the other side of the state as the landowners have indeed fenced and posted their private lands. As a professional land surveyor I deal with land owners, easements, access and conveyances on a daily basis and don't even have the right of ingress/egress to survey public lands monuments on foot if I have to cross their land to get to them. I am very gracious for the privleges some land owners afford me that they don't have to.
If I infered that this was a done deal and the government was moving in then I certainly said something inappropriate. However the fact that the Federal Government has taken the time to put any plan like this together and tried to hide it is an enormous mistake that will likely not win them many friends in their quest. At this point the documentation is out so we likely won't know but many and I'm sure not just Wyoming Ranchers, feel that this was an attempt like Clinton made to pull this off without any public input. Maybe, maybe not but it has rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.
In Wyoming at least "we" often take for granted the amount of access we have across both private and public lands simply because a road of some sort exists. And I've seen "sportsman' abuse both the private and public land like it's theirs to destroy. Land owners in many cases don't fence their lands and don't keep sportsmen out when we are actually trespassing their land thinking we have some right to get to the public. The only "legal" access we have to areas like the checkerboarded public lands is across county roads with established easements. In some areas the county roads don't even have recorded easements. Say what you want about grazing cattle or sheep or anything else but i feel pretty fortunate to have nearly unlimited access to hundreds of thousands of acres in southwestern Wyoming. I'm not afforded that luxury on the other side of the state as the landowners have indeed fenced and posted their private lands. As a professional land surveyor I deal with land owners, easements, access and conveyances on a daily basis and don't even have the right of ingress/egress to survey public lands monuments on foot if I have to cross their land to get to them. I am very gracious for the privleges some land owners afford me that they don't have to.
If I infered that this was a done deal and the government was moving in then I certainly said something inappropriate. However the fact that the Federal Government has taken the time to put any plan like this together and tried to hide it is an enormous mistake that will likely not win them many friends in their quest. At this point the documentation is out so we likely won't know but many and I'm sure not just Wyoming Ranchers, feel that this was an attempt like Clinton made to pull this off without any public input. Maybe, maybe not but it has rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.
It always seems to come back to Clinton. Why don't you blame it on TR, he is the one responsible for signing after it passed Congress.
noharleyyet
Well-known member
I miss Clinton.
JoseCuervo
New member
Why should Sportsmen have to build fences for Welfare Ranchers to keep their PRIVATE property (cows and range maggots) off of MY PUBLIC LANDS? Don't you think the owner of the cows should maybe think about keeping them home???
Welfare Ranchers always looking for a handout from hunters, taxpayers, and the government.
krshunter
Active member
If you take time to read the statement you quoted it says exactly what you did. Maybe sportsman won't mind if the Ranchers start fencing everything off. The ranchers I'm speaking specifically of are the furthest thing you'll find from "Welfare Ranchers" and do a far better job managing not only thier lands but the adjacent "Public Lands" that the government will allow their own people to do. You're blatant Welfare Rancher statement about people whom you don't even know shows me that you're a bigger idot that I gave you credit for.
JoseCuervo
New member
If you take time to read the statement you quoted it says exactly what you did. Maybe sportsman won't mind if the Ranchers start fencing everything off. The ranchers I'm speaking specifically of are the furthest thing you'll find from "Welfare Ranchers" and do a far better job managing not only thier lands but the adjacent "Public Lands" that the government will allow their own people to do. You're blatant Welfare Rancher statement about people whom you don't even know shows me that you're a bigger idot that I gave you credit for.
Please explain to me how the "adjacent "Public Lands" could be in worse shape than the Welfare Rancher's private deeded lands? Aren't these Welfare Ranchers supposed to be "great stewards of our lands" and "the best caretakers because they depend on the public lands"?
Yes, as a Sportsman, I would love for the Welfare Ranchers to fence their cattle into their deeded lands and keep their Range Maggots off of My Public Lands. I have yet to see a herd of mule deer destroy a stream bed or any other riparian area.
Yes, as a Taxpayer, I would love to not have to subsidize Welfare Ranchers who seem to only be able to afford $1.35 per month for their cow/calf or 5 sheep, while they lease out their Private Pasutres for $15-$18 per month.
And, as a Capitalist, I would love to see these Welfare Ranchers have to compete in the free market and not rely on Communism and Socialism that uses public assets to provide them government sponsored jobs.
sweetnectar
New member
Jose, as a capitalist you ott to hate every politician's guts. As a taxpayer, you ott to hate every politician's guts. And as a sportsman you ott to hate every politician's guts. There is always something crappy comming about from politicians.
Which reminds me, what is the difference between a dead politician on the road and a dead snake? The snake has skid marks in front of it.
Which reminds me, what is the difference between a dead politician on the road and a dead snake? The snake has skid marks in front of it.
