Newest US Senate Land Sale Amendment
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Well, we had to evacuate our three year old home last year due to fire. The wind shifted and we got lucky… others, not so much.
If it is infrequent fire with large fuel loads… as we have in many areas, it gets too hot and kills the seed, which then is replaced by undesireable growth.
God made a plan whereas smaller, frequent fires burn off underbrush, creating new, valuable growth and causing pine cones to open up for seed.
In a nutshell: When forests are choked with decades of deadfall, brush, etc the fire burns too hot and out of control… not good.
Also, out of control fires can wreak havoc on livestock and wildlife.
These pics are not far from us post-fire last year.
They are public and have stayed public as they have been given value.
Un Sam gets lease money from those wells, adding value to the equation, among other benefits… roads and bridges funded by the industry. Contributions for re-establishment of habitat and wildlife forage are also benefits.
Are there drawbacks? Sure…
elkduds
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If yer Uncle charged competitive lease and extraction rates instead of 1/10 of commercial lease rates, your argument would resonate. Leasing of public lands in it's current form is merely a subsidy to the lessee.
KMO385
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As a dude who got off topic in this thread about fire, I concur. I started a thread on wildfire management, and I saw someone else start one about closing land for public safety yesterday, so let's take ot over there.
KMO385
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I just a second response from Sen. Jerry Moran of Kansas from an email is sent last week. The first email I got basically had the tune of "Kansas doesnt have BLM land so I dont care." Second email they changed there tune to "Kansans care about public and lots of email is how I know that." Wierd.
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I got an even more generic one from daines than the first one he sent. This one came with a survey regarding his responses. So I filled it out. Told him I'd prefer non generic responses with actual answers. Also told him that I understand why that will never happen. But hey, he asked 
I never had Moran respond, the same with Estes, except for an acknowledgement of getting my email opinion. Dr Marshall did respond, with some assurances that public land is important to him.
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Same response I got on the no BLM..
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Sen. Grassley responded to me. It seemed very long and thought out. Problem is, I need Randy to read it and translate it so I know whether it’s good or bad.
KMO385
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I got a response Marshall saying he supported hunting and public lands. Rep Mann never responded to me.
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Glen Beck dropped another podcast about the potential land sale. I don't have the strength yet to listen to it, but I'm sure he using the housing crisis angle. He's not doing this because he is passionate about home ownership for for the young American family. He is buddies with Lee. Tells me something is cooking.
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Is it crazy to try to build on the recent publicity around this and to try to get bi-partisan legislation passed to stop any future sale or EO from bringing this up anytime soon? Make each Senator go on the record and everyone in the house before the next election cycle?
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It's a good thought but I can't see any politician willing to die on that hill. Not enough pressure nationally. I bet the majority of the voting public had no idea what even happened.
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Utah Sen. Mike Lee Says Selling Off Public Lands Will Solve the West’s Housing Crisis. Past Sales Show Otherwise.
Last month, Lee introduced a now-removed amendment to Trump’s policy megabill that mandated the sale of up to 3 million acres. It did little to address the challenges of building affordable housing on public land.
But this spring, Lee found support from unlikely places: the coastal elites he previously railed against seemed open to some of his ideas. The arguments in favor of privatization and development use a word of the season: abundance. Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson’s bestselling book of the same name argues that burdensome regulatory processes have crushed the American housing market. While the authors focus on increasing supply in urban areas, in April, The New York Times ran an op-ed calling for building housing on public lands. That same week, the Times Magazine, in a piece titled “Why America Should Sprawl,” framed outward growth, including through the sale of public lands, as all but inevitable. The American Enterprise Institute, a free-market think tank, has estimated that the nation could build 3 million homes by opening federal land. In December, AEI leaders advocated for federal land sales in the Las Vegas Review-Journal, promising that disposal could “usher in housing abundance and prosperity.”
SAJ-99
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I almost want to discourage sharing of this narrative, even if we know it is BS. I warned that urban Democrats will gladly jump on board the train because they never saw a Federal hand-out they didn't like. AEI view should be taken with a grain of salt. The real problem is tax policy that drives behaviors. AEI will never suggest that we should fix the tax policy. Everything else is local. Building fees and permitting costs can be changed but you can never avoid the NIMBY.Utah Sen. Mike Lee Says Selling Off Public Lands Will Solve the West’s Housing Crisis. Past Sales Show Otherwise.
Last month, Lee introduced a now-removed amendment to Trump’s policy megabill that mandated the sale of up to 3 million acres. It did little to address the challenges of building affordable housing on public land.www.propublica.org
But this spring, Lee found support from unlikely places: the coastal elites he previously railed against seemed open to some of his ideas. The arguments in favor of privatization and development use a word of the season: abundance. Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson’s bestselling book of the same name argues that burdensome regulatory processes have crushed the American housing market. While the authors focus on increasing supply in urban areas, in April, The New York Times ran an op-ed calling for building housing on public lands. That same week, the Times Magazine, in a piece titled “Why America Should Sprawl,” framed outward growth, including through the sale of public lands, as all but inevitable. The American Enterprise Institute, a free-market think tank, has estimated that the nation could build 3 million homes by opening federal land. In December, AEI leaders advocated for federal land sales in the Las Vegas Review-Journal, promising that disposal could “usher in housing abundance and prosperity.”
From the Census Bureau.
Housing units in US 146.8m (set July 2024)
Number of Households in US 131.43 (est. 2024)
Owner-occupied housing unit rate 65% (2019-2023)
Irrelevant
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We should start another thread if we're going to discuss the housing situation, but I agree. I can think of plenty of other levelers that would work a lot better than selling public land.
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Lee even got LDS to boo his actions. When a periodical like Politico puts this out about a Republican, you know they’re written off.
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Mike Lee Can’t Stop Throwing Social Media Grenades. His Church Isn’t Happy.
The Utah senator’s online persona has further damaged his already frayed relationship with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Idaho legislators celebrate death of proposal to sell off public lands - East Idaho News
Idaho state legislators from both parties celebrated the death of a federal proposal that would have made millions of acres of public lands, including in Idaho, available to be sold off. On June 30, 43 Republican Idaho state legislators signed a letter thanking U.S. Rep. Mike Simpson and U.S...
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I think my favorite part of this is they point out that Fulcher was not included in the thank you as he has frequently came out as anti public land.
