Excuse my ignorance, but who were the 2 "hunter groups" that tried to keep the wolf listed? I would like to know so I don't support them in the future.
Since you asked, here are my thoughts on it. You will be able to quickly see who was "With us or again' us."
While hunting wolves in MT this week, it will be with great irony that I continue to think back to the many comments that were made criticizing MT and ID guys for not following the WY model. The loudest mouths, and as history show, the mouths with the least amount of knowledge on the subject, seemed to be associated with Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife (SFW) and Big Game Forever (BGF).
They railed on MT and ID guys as to how MT and ID hunters were supposedly nuts and were never going to get a wolf season. How Simpson and Tester were supposedly the anti-Christ to delisting progress. How WY had it all right and MT/ID were the cause for no hunting seasons. How bliah, blah, blah .......
Mostly the MT and ID guys were messing up the cogs on the money machine the wolf had become. We were close to solving a fifteen year old problem of getting state control of wolves. Without a problem and an enemy, who or what could be their cause for raising more money.
The wolf threads on MM last winter were so damn funny thanks to purveyors of such "wisdom." I know they read this stuff, as they love to repost what they read on Hunt Talk and share it over on other sites where they serve Kool-aid as a dessert to their donation requests, so I figured I would show my gratitude for how difficult they made the process for hunters here in MT and ID.
Please allow me this citation below as just one example for a guy who was a small player in the game, but always willing to make sure the press received his opinions, however informed or uninformed. His fearless leaders were even more accommodating to the cause of blind faith. Post anything about wolves on Monster Muleys and expect a rebuttal from this guy.
Judge doubts wolf split - Molloy questions whether law allows Idaho, Montana hunts without Wyoming.
By Bailey Schreiber, Jackson Hole, Wyo., and The Associated Press
Date: June 16, 2010
A federal judge in Montana expressed skepticism Tuesday that the Endangered Species Act allows the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to remove federal protection of wolves in Montana and Idaho but not in Wyoming.
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In 2009, Fish and Wildlife removed a portion of the Rocky Mountain gray wolf from Endangered Species Act protection in Montana and Idaho. However, because of inadequate state protections for wolves, the agency chose to continue federal protection for gray wolves in Wyoming..........................
Others, including Bob Wharff, executive director of the Wyoming chapter of Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife, argue that individual states should be given the responsibility of managing wildlife within their borders. Wharff, however, does not believe this will be the outcome of this lawsuit.
“It’s a tragedy that Idaho and Montana will lose the opportunity to manage the wildlife as they see fit,” he said. “But in part, it’s their fault for being so critical of Wyoming’s management plan. ..............”
All I can do is take comfort in knowing who is hunting wolves this week and who is not hunting wolves this week.
Winter might be kind of boring this year without the likes of SFW and Big Game Forever to tell us how we need to be rescued from ourselves. Who can we rely upon to go and make false statements on behalf of NRA, SCI, B&C, CSF, and others they falsely claim to represent? Who else is going to ask us to send our money so they can lay the pipe to us behind the scenes? Who else will entertain us as they employ high school level damage control?
Now I read in Montana newpapers that the MT chapter of SFW is touting that we have it all wrong in MT because the quotas didn't fill right away. They were doing everything they could in the legislative session to screw it up, also. Makes one wonder if they really want delisting and the drought it could inflict upon the wolf money stream. Seems they have not read the MT management plan and the adaptive options it has, or maybe it is just a reading comprehension problem.
Seriously, I do hope you guys get your seasons in WY, and soon. Had to be some serious crow being served down that way when Gov. Meade cut a deal with USFWS.
Mightyhunter, Buzz, what you hearing about the next steps for the WY wolf season? Hopefully SFW and BGF can keep their mitts off things long enough to get it solved in WY.
Anyhow, Jon Boy, to answer your question, all you need to do is go back and read a few of threads and you will see what Sportsman for Fish and Wildlife along with Big Game Forever were doing to kill wolf delisting in MT and ID. There was a ton of it going on in February through April of this year and there are many more threads than the three quick ones I came up with.
The most comical threads were over on Monster Muleys where the worst public beat downs occurred. School was in session and many Hunt Talkers were giving chapter and verse to a very surprised, yet blindly committed group of SFW/BGF followers. Given they had invested so much money in these groups, maybe they had no choice but to follow blindly. The schooling was so brutal. It was almost like watching a boxer who is getting thrashed and will not go down. You almost feel sorry for them. ALMOST.
http://onyourownadventures.com/hunttalk/showthread.php?t=246163
http://onyourownadventures.com/hunttalk/showthread.php?t=246434
http://onyourownadventures.com/hunttalk/showthread.php?t=242700
One of the funnier threads on MM linked below.
http://www.monstermuleys.info/cgi-b..._thread&om=17620&forum=DCForumID5&archive=yes
All the while these groups were taking donations from MT and ID hunters, then using it to try sink our hopes for delisting. A few of us knew what was going on behind the scenes and when the time was right, called them out, here and on every hunting website that discusses western hunting topics. The rebuttals and explanation of their actions were extremely entertaining.
Still lots to be done with delisting and preserving the hard fought seasons we have. I hope all of you MT and ID guys get out and hunt the wolves until the quotas are filled. There is no guarantee, so long as these cases are in the hands of courts.