Montana Regional Caps and Limited Entry for Mule Deer.

[NY_BLUES]

My recommendation would be to move to MT, or stop hunting in MT. Better options and less nonsense. The days of coming to MT to take a mediocre

antelope may be over. The days of coming to MT to shoot a mediocre mule deer may be over. The elk population is in trouble. The are other states, other countries with mule deer. Perhaps you should consider these options. MTG

Based on this and most of the other posts on this site, it seems that residents of Montana would rather there not be NR at all....
Good luck funding FWP without our huge donations every year.
And yes, NR should consider other options, most states have cheaper NR tags and opportunities are atleast as abundant as those opportunities in Montana.

 

[Forkyfinder]

Based on this and most of the other posts on this site, it seems that residents of Montana would rather there not be NR at all....
Good luck funding FWP without our huge donations every year.
And yes, NR should consider other options, most states have cheaper NR tags and opportunities are atleast as abundant as those opportunities in Montana.

Im cheering for you, if fwp stops selling NR licences change will come fast.

I doubt it. But heres to hoping.

 

[NY_BLUES]

I'd invite you all to NY to spend about $300 bucks on a NR deer tag, and a bear tag comes along with it. You can shoot a mediocre forky on the over crowded state lands and see how inefficient government agencies don't work!

Seriously though, I would agree that MT does need to cut NR license numbers, and by a lot. I've enjoyed hunting MT, and hope to again. The other thing they should do is make MD and WT tags seperate.

 

[TOGIE]

There is never real data provided to back up the transferable tag argument as it relates to public access.

We have pitiful, in comparison to Montana in particular, public to private access programs in Colorado if you compare acreage and we, of course, have a robust transferable LO tag program. I would find it hard to argue that is not a mere coincidence.

I'm willing to bet the amount of folks that gain access to private in Colorado via the transferable tags is equally, if not more, paltry than the amount of folks that gain access to private via Block in Montana and to some similar extent Access Yes in Wyoming.

 

[SAJ-99]

Im cheering for you, if fwp stops selling NR licences change will come fast.

I doubt it. But heres to hoping.

Sad that you have to ask NRs to fix the problem at all.

 

[Treeshark]

There is never real data provided to back up the transferable tag argument as it relates to public access.

Agreed- I tried to look up total landowners participating/acreage recently and I gave up. Maybe it’s out there, but I couldn’t find it and I’m not sure it’s published. Perhaps that means there isn’t any real data to refute the argument either in those terms.

I’m not advocating for a replacement of Block Management- an ideal scenario would be for Type 1 program and transferable LO tags to both coexist in beautiful harmony.

 

[Ben Lamb]

Agreed- I tried to look up total landowners participating/acreage recently and I gave up. Maybe it’s out there, but I couldn’t find it and I’m not sure it’s published. Perhaps that means there isn’t any real data to refute the argument either in those terms.

I’m not advocating for a replacement of Block Management- an ideal scenario would be for Type 1 program and transferable LO tags to both coexist in beautiful harmony.

Russia, meet Ukraine.

Ukraine, meet Russia.

 

[Treeshark]

Russia, meet Ukraine.

Ukraine, meet Russia.

That’s too deep for me dude, you know that.

 

[TOGIE]

Agreed- I tried to look up total landowners participating/acreage recently and I gave up. Maybe it’s out there, but I couldn’t find it and I’m not sure it’s published. Perhaps that means there isn’t any real data to refute the argument either in those terms.

I’m not advocating for a replacement of Block Management- an ideal scenario would be for Type 1 program and transferable LO tags to both coexist in beautiful harmony.

In other words, you have no data for your argument and it’s all conjecture?

Regardless, acreage is less important than numbers of hunters provided access in this context, IMO.

Colorados transferable tags could theoretically technically open up more acres to non landowning hunters. But I guarantee you the numbers of hunters gaining access is substantially lower than Block. And that’s disregarding the cost to the hunter per acre provided.

Further as Ben briefly noted, and as evidenced in colorado, it doesn’t seem likely the two can coexist in much harmony. Maybe in some perfect world that isn’t this one?

 

[Treeshark]

In other words, you have no data for your argument and it’s all wild theory?

This is a Montana mule deer thread. Since when was data required in a discussion on this topic?

The reason I brought this subject up on this particular thread is that in order to gain enough support to actually pass LE, there is going to have to be some concessions given to private landowners and outfitters (as evidenced by a few of the HT Mule Deer Committee twisting themselves into pretzels to argue against LE).

I agree with @Forkyfinder on his desire for LE, but I don’t see it happening without some concession. Hope he proves me wrong, but I’m betting he won’t.

 

[mtmuley]

This is a Montana mule deer thread. Since when was data required in a discussion on this topic?

The reason I brought this subject up on this particular thread is that in order to gain enough support to actually pass LE, there is going to have to be some concessions given to private landowners and outfitters (as evidenced by a few of the HT Mule Deer Committee twisting themselves into pretzels to argue against LE).

I agree with @Forkyfinder on his desire for LE, but I don’t see it happening without some concession. Hope he proves me wrong, but I’m betting he won’t.

Keep hammering Shark. mtmuley

 

[Treeshark]

In other words, you have no data for your argument and it’s all conjecture?

The data regarding Block Management clearly shows it is in decline. Any theory that things may improve (as @Ben Lamb fairly pointed out) is purely conjecture, right?

Seventeen pages of conjecture and you chose my post to put your foot down and demand hard data, huh?

 

[Treeshark]

Keep hammering Shark. mtmuley

You know you can count on me, big dawg

 

[mtmuley]

You know you can count on me, big dawg

In my simple mind hunters in Montana are as against transferable landowner tags as they are to conceding our current season structure. Which one will fall first? mtmuley

 

[Treeshark]

Which one will fall first?

Honestly, that’s a really interesting question. Flip a coin.

Hard to see one without the other based on the reaction to LE from some of the outfitter crowd on here. Maybe not Transferable LO, but something more appears necessary to gain their approval (very small sample size, I concede that point).

I’d just settle for a 10/1 start date, personally…

 

[mtmuley]

Honestly, that’s a really interesting question. Flip a coin.

Not that easy. And there are hundreds of pages here that prove it. Personally, I will pay more, give up season structure and anything else I need to do to prevent transferable LO tags. mtmuley

 

[Treeshark]

Personally, I will pay more

I believe you when you say that, I’m just not sure there are even close to enough people that feel the same way.

 

[mtmuley]

I believe you when you say that, I’m just not sure there are even close to enough people that feel the same way.

Unfortunately, I don't think so either. mtmuley

 

[TOGIE]

The data regarding Block Management clearly shows it is in decline. Any theory that things may improve (as @Ben Lamb fairly pointed out) is purely conjecture, right?

Seventeen pages of conjecture and you chose my post to put your foot down and demand hard data, huh?

You routinely claim that transferable tags are the golden ticket to the access crisis with no data. And in the end, Colorado as an example does not back up your claim.

 

[Treeshark]

golden ticket

Golden lever. And from my perspective, they are- they allow a nonresident to access a tag every single year.