Man Made Climate Change

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ElkFever2

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Climate science is complicated. The more I learn about it, the more I am convinced that my brain is incapable of grasping all the necessary concepts to understand the important relationships between the major variables. There are far smarter people than me out there who actually do get this stuff pretty well, but it's unreasonable to believe that more than 2% of Americans are EVER going to be climate change experts who can truly hold there own in a scientific debate about the subject that considers the available data, and not just firmly held opinions.

So what's the problem with taking the advice of the experts and making attempts to influence the future of our world in a worthwhile manner?

Too many climate change crusaders took the internet inventor's approach, and now 99% of people who heard the doomsday predictions didn't feel, think, observe, or comprehend that bad things were happening, so now they're done listening and have moved on to other subjects that catch their attention. I sympathize with those in the "save our planet" crowd who really do care about having a better world for future generations, but from them there's been far too much lying, falsifying, exaggerating, fudging data, scientific mumbo jumbo, catastrophizing, moralizing, socialism-pushing, capitalizing on irrelevant weather events (x10,000), air of superiority, attacks on religious beliefs, looking down one's nose at all the ignern't folk out there, and otherwise choosing to use TERRIBLE tactics to advance a very real and important cause. The result is that tens of millions of American's have picked "sides" and the lion's share of the climate change discussion today is characterized by political tactics of persons with ambitious political agendas.

I'm a realist. I don't think there is any way to hit the reset button and pretend that all the shenanigans from many of the biggest voices in the climate change crowd over the last 30 years didn't occur. On the other hand, I have seen some headway from groups that focus solely on building consensus among right and left together to find solutions that the majority of us can all agree on, and then taking action steps to make these things happen. IMO, I think this is the way forward for the rest of the 21st century. Completely forget about who's right and why, and just move forward with healthy environment solutions that everyday people can get on board with.

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Brauee20

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I don't like jumping into these threads but here's some data, unless maybe you believe the moon landing was faked. Draw your own conclusions, their sources are cited.




NASA has a treasure trove of information as well as some amazing interactive applications (https://climate.nasa.gov/earth-now/?vs_name=visible_earth&dataset_id=852&group_id=53&animating=f&start=&end=).

I spent four years as a MET student, aviation meteorology, but worked on some amazing projects with a couple buddies who were research students like core sampling reefs. I ask them what they think occasionally. Lately the chatter has been ocean acidification. There is so much new information seemingly daily it's hard to keep up, whether it's peer-reviewed, hard stats, speculation, simulation etc...it makes my head spin and I was wrapped up in it for four years.

I saw someone briefly mention Milankovitch cycles a page or so ago as well. Here's a solid explanation of previous glaciation and the relationship of the planets orbit: http://www.indiana.edu/~geol105/images/gaia_chapter_4/milankovitch.htm
 

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Brauee, please break down that interesting contribution for a simple minded Texan. I think I understand but want to be sure.

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Randy must be out of town. mtmuley
Yup. I'm at Elk Camp in non-stop meetings. I'm so sick of the chit that goes on here at times.

180+ posts in one day on a thread that has accomplished absolutely nothing. Mostly the same general group of folks ranting about topics unrelated to hunting, with not a single mind being changed.

When I have to lock 2-3 threads each week, it seems time to reassess the commo traits of those threads and handle accordingly when I get home.

Locked.... again.
 
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