Losses at the Forest Service

[Nick87]

Even if it were, two wrongs doesn’t make a right. Just because something crappy has happened to me before doesn’t mean I want it to happen to other people.

No kidding, I stated exactly that in my first post.

The union laborers on those jobs get reassigned pretty quickly.

I think your out of your wheel house here.

 

[seeth07]

you idiots proud of yourself? This is a hunting forum no?

This is backwards. Shame on you.

 

[DFS]

you idiots proud of yourself? This is a hunting forum no?

This is backwards. Shame on you.

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You ever hunted on Forest service?

 

[seeth07]

You ever hunted on Forest service?

Perhaps there are maybe 10 posts max that relate this news to the impact on the federal public lands and hunting, certainly not 4 pages worth.

 

[Laszlo Cravensworth]

Perhaps there are maybe 10 posts max that relate this news to the impact on the federal public lands and hunting, certainly not 4 pages worth.

Pretty sure DOGE slashed the Post Count Police.

 

[Beignet]

I think your out of your wheel house here.

My experience is strictly anecdotal to a large sector of a major market. Not an expert on everything.

Editing my original response to say: Per post #64 I’ll agree to disagree on whatever and keep this in subject as to its impact on how we recreate.

I’m sure you know more about certain specifics than I do, and trust that the pipeline being pulled was tough on a lot of people.

 

[hank4elk]

Pretty gloomy in Quemado today. It wasn't just the hail.

"Send Lawyers, Guns & Money"

 

[Justabirdwatcher]

Gonna be a lot of people regretting their votes pretty soon here!

You know they won't ever admit that.

 

[Nick87]

Perhaps for the extractive industry, sure. I can’t speak to all union membership as a whole, but, anecdotally, in the major market I’m most familiar with and the industry sector I’m most familiar with there’s a shortage of skilled labor. Guys don’t wait long for reassignment.

Some of them do some of them don't. Sound really easy from the outside looking in. A project that size those guys were gonna make a LOT of money, which you have to when you dont know one year from the next if youll have a job on whete it might be. You don't always get the same hours or pay scale on a lot of those jobs especially pipeliners who travel. They may have landed another job that was 40 hours instead of 60 or 80 per week, maybe no or half the per diem. Maybe the pay scale is 20% or 40% less than on that project due the location. It's not all equal and thats all WHEN they do land the next job. So saying those guys could just go onto the next job is like saying the government workers that got axed this week could just go get another job at (insert wherever). Sure sounds good though. Hope that makes sense.

 

[Beignet]

Some of them do some of them don't. Sound really easy from the outside looking in. A project that size those guys were gonna make a LOT of money, which you have to when you dont know one year from the next if youll have a job on whete it might be. You don't always get the same hours or pay scale on a lot of those jobs especially pipeliners who travel. They may have landed another job that was 40 hours instead of 60 or 80 per week, maybe no or half the per diem. Maybe the pay scale is 20% or 40% less than on that project due the location. It's not all equal and thats all WHEN they do land the next job. So saying those guys could just go onto the next job is like saying the government workers that got axed this week could just go get another job at (insert wherever). Sure sounds good though. Hope that makes sense.

It does. And I agree that it’s a bit more nuanced than “just heading down to the union hall” than I originally made it out to be. I guess those kinds of sweeping generalizations and assumptions aren’t particularly helpful. And, actually do a disservice to better empathizing with others, be they pipeliners or USAID employees.

 

[LuketheDog]

I like the idea of having a government department have to defend their budget or explain why they exist. However, your point reveals a fundamental flaw in government budgets supported by tax income. Even if they are fiducially responsible, they are restricted from doing so. Here's how:

Government budgets and programs demonstrate their existence by showing how much money they spend. If they don't spend the money, they won't get funded next year. This disincentivizes prudent spending, rainy day funds, etc. If they are too careful with the money at the beginning of the year and have leftover cash, they hurry up and blow it on stupid shit so they can continue receiving funds.

As you know, business works the opposite way, and to your point, companies survive on prudent spending, management, R&D, paying down debt, acquisitions, etc.

Yes, that is how they currently run a budget, but it is not how they HAVE to do it. If the government (any government, small town all the way up to federal) adopted a budgeting style that was actually responsible, as all the rest of us peons do, the entire country would be in a much better place. I have zero problem with the DOGE laying waste to the status quo. There will be a little collateral damage for sure, some folks might lose jobs that don't deserve to, but there are also a whole lot of other folks who have government jobs that shouldn't exists in the first place. I'd be fired if I ran a company the way the feds run things, and I'd be broke like them if I ran my personal finances that way.

 

[LuketheDog]

Try real hard to see past the end of you nose.

Ditto dude

 

[Laszlo Cravensworth]

It does. And I agree that it’s a bit more nuanced than “just heading down to the union hall” than I originally made it out to be. I guess those kinds of sweeping generalizations and assumptions aren’t particularly helpful. And, actually do a disservice to better empathizing with others, be they pipeliners or USAID employees.

On a similar note, just got the official news that one of my college friends was fired at USFS. She's done seasonal work for USFS and BLM annually for the last few years including botany, wildlife, and firefighting. Was finally hired on permanent about 6 months ago.

This is the exact reason I chose to not pursue a Fed biology job.

 

[SAJ-99]

you idiots proud of yourself? This is a hunting forum no?

This is backwards. Shame on you.

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This directly impacts some people here. It is also a pretty big deal. Those that don't agree can hit the Ignore button or stick their heads in the sand or whatever. But the craziness about this place is that when someone asks a question or posts a recap here about a specific hunting unit they get badgered relentlessly.

BTW, I don't know jack about NM Oryx hunting but hit the like on a recap though.

 

[Justabirdwatcher]

I think some folks here really need to stop and think about the difference between a non-profit Service, and a for-profit business.

One of the major differences is transparency. Non-profits and government agencies are required to be transparent, justifying their status and budgets and reporting on every expenditure, every year.

For profits? Not so much. IOW, if the price of Chevy Silverados goes up overnight, you don't know if it's because of poor management and lazy employees, the price of steel or rubber, or because the CEO's decided to give themselves another raise. You only know what they choose to tell you.

So you get to see the fraud,waste and abuse in one system, but the other system gets to write the narrative about you why you're paying more. Hardly a fair comparison really.

 

[Hunting Wife]

DOI bureaus now terminating all probational employees, effective today.

 

[Trial153]

Cut them all, cut everything but corporate profits. Merica baby!!

 

[El Jason]

you idiots proud of yourself? This is a hunting forum no?

This is backwards. Shame on you.

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Then dont read it.

 

[RemingtonRules]

I think some folks here really need to stop and think about the difference between a non-profit Service, and a for-profit business.

One of the major differences is transparency. Non-profits and government agencies are required to be transparent, justifying their status and budgets and reporting on every expenditure, every year.

For profits? Not so much. IOW, if the price of Chevy Silverados goes up overnight, you don't know if it's because of poor management and lazy employees, the price of steel or rubber, or because the CEO's decided to give themselves another raise. You only know what they choose to tell you.

So you get to see the fraud,waste and abuse in one system, but the other system gets to write the narrative about you why you're paying more. Hardly a fair comparison really.

You realize private companies are audited annually. They also have a Board that oversees executive comp. A CEO cannot declare their own raise. But the truth does not make for a good story.

How did that nonprofit transparency work for the NRA?

I ask for basic information from my local city. They make me go through a freedom of information act just to stonewall.

 

[Bigjay73]

You know they won't ever admit that.

Does either side ever? Good and bad policy comes from both sides, admitting that fact rarely comes from the left or right.