LO Battle Ahead?

[Treeshark]

and could benefit the public land DIY hunter by having more hunting pressure on the private grounds that are next to public.

Absolutely

 

[seeth07]

Another sign you dont know much about wyoming elk hunting when alot of these tags would sell for much more then 4k

What is your data that suggests they would fetch more than that? Are you factoring in that there would be a massive shift in supply?

 

[longtail55]

Absolutely

Its a double edge sword. I know of this exact situation where there is 3,000 acres of private ground where all the elk hang out where the landowner cant barely get any tags so therefore there is no pressure. and all the public land hunters including myself sit on the public and watch all the elk on private

 

[Bighorner]

and could benefit the public land DIY hunter by having more hunting pressure on the private grounds that are next to public.

If it worked that way, but LO licenses are unit wide with no stipulation the tag be used on private surface, which is almost unenforceable given the mix of federal state and private all fenced together.

 

[longtail55]

If it worked that way, but LO licenses are unit wide with no stipulation the tag be used on private surface, which is almost unenforceable given the mix of federal state and private all fenced together.

In some states they have to hunt there own private land and I feel if something like this would get approved then that would need to be the case.

 

[Treeshark]

but LO licenses are unit wide with no stipulation the tag be used on private surface,

Some are, but many (perhaps most?) are not unit wide.

In NM and CO, unit-wide tags open up the tag-recieving landowner’s land to either the tag holder (CO) or everyone (NM).

 

[Bighorner]

In some states they have to hunt there own private land and I feel if something like this would get approved then that would need to be the case.

And a separate capped allocation. But at the end of the day, I feel we have went far enough down the slippery slope of monetization and I don't care to go any further.

 

[Forkyfinder]

Again. Waiting until just before the season starts to buy one doesnt reflect true market value.

Your future hunting opportunities wont look good.

 

[Treeshark]

Again. Waiting until just before the season starts to buy one doesnt reflect true market value.

There is strategy involved to be sure, just like playing the draw game. You gotta zig when other zag.

 

[Ben Lamb]

12 pages in. Anyone's mind changed yet?

 

[cgasner1]

Simple. Make the price the LO pays for the tag from the G&F the same as the NR tag fee. The LO can then pass that cost on to whoever buys the tag from them, should he desire to sell it. I would argue that LO tags are a gift from the Residents of the State, same as NR tags, and should be valued as such. Particularly if the LO desires to sell it.

Considering your tag as a resident cost 57 dollars I guess I know which side of the pool those lo tags should come from to benefit the state if they are gonna sell them at nr price. I have 3 bull tags right now for 25 and im sitting on 12 points for elk in Wyoming. You guys are already pushing a 90/10 split and people are starting to bail push this thru and put your boot on the nr throat harder and it will become a revenue issue eventually. As it sits when I draw I’ll probably walk away from Wyoming.

 

[cgasner1]

Another sign you dont know much about wyoming elk hunting when alot of these tags would sell for much more then 4k

The outfitters are already finding guys with enough points to party up for clients and paying for guided hunts in general area. I’ve had people email me offing to buy my tag if I’d apply with them. A general elk tag for Wyoming would probably go for over 6k pretty easy

 

[Hammsolo]

If a rancher could charge $10k for a bull tag, why would they risk loss of that resource? Why would they give cow tags? Ranchers are used to managing resources, and aren’t going to allow enough pressure to lose that resource.

The rancher that I used to receive permission from West of Spokane leases his ground for deer outfitting now. I’ve spoken to the outfitter. Management is for big (for the area) bucks, and explicitly to keep pressure low.

I’m lucky to have access to multiple private parcels. My uncle and his neighbors specifically manage for pressure.

Would LO tags help a DIY Hunter on public land? How?

I could listen to a program that requires a one-to-one or something like that. What about a one-to-one tag? One for the land owner and one equal tag for a raffle to raise funds for conservation? It would have to be completely equal. I don’t want to hear about cows, restricted areas, or restricted points.

 

[Hammsolo]

The outfitters are already finding guys with enough points to party up for clients and paying for guided hunts in general area. I’ve had people email me offing to buy my tag if I’d apply with them. A general elk tag for Wyoming would probably go for over 6k pretty easy

I have a distant in-law that hunts for people to do this every year.

 

[Treeshark]

12 pages in. Anyone's mind changed yet?

Since Monday? Probably not. Although I’m starting to notice more and more of the “I could support LO tags if…” comments even on this thread.

Compared to a few years ago on HT? Absolutely changing. This thread would have been absolutely mayhem just a few years ago. Heck, we have a HT moderator mention he buys them, despite the very thought of LO tags being “against everything HT stands for.”

Slow change can be hard to notice, but that doesn’t mean it’s not happening.

 

[Treeshark]

Would LO tags help a DIY Hunter on public land? How?

For sure they help: step one for some of us to go on a DIY public land hunt is getting the tag in the first place, which is often the most challenging part.

That’s where LO unit-wide tags are a game changer.

 

[cgasner1]

12 pages in. Anyone's mind changed yet?

Mine has I was holding for a glory tag. If someone can get me set up to party my points and guarantee over 350” let’s talk

 

[seeth07]

Since Monday? Probably not.

Compared to a few years ago on HT? Absolutely changing. This thread would have been absolutely mayhem just a few years ago. Heck, we have a HT moderator mention he buys them, despite the very thought of LO tags being “against everything HT stands for.”

Slow change can be hard to notice, but that doesn’t mean it’s not happening.

When I started the big game draw tag wormhole back in 2015, buying a LO tag or supporting them was completely off my radar and never would have voted yes back then.

Today, under the right conditions, I would vote yes. I don't support the CO LO system as it stands, the NM LO system is very close to where I would vote yes but it needs a few tweaks. If in the legislator and forced to vote on keep it as is or terminate it, I think I'd be voting to keep it.

 

[Hammsolo]

For sure they help: step one for some of us to go on a DIY public land hunt is getting the tag in the first place, which is often the most challenging part.

That’s where LO unit-wide tags are a game changer.

What is your definition of DIY?

 

[Treeshark]

What is your definition of DIY?

Drive to public land. Go hunting. Drive home.