You're right Lost, not everyone can be happy. However, I think there is plenty evidence that both means can be accomplished. I just listened to a seminar yesterday about a ranch and through their management since '82 they have increased the number of elk by 1000, antelope from 0 to 600, sagegrouse to over 600males and at the same time increased cattle by 5500! So it can be done, its just up to the stewards (both private and federal) to get the job done.