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So you are trying to legislate everyone's intent and not the outcomes?
How Far is Too Far? Wyoming Legislature Mulls Shot Distance Restrictions
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BrentD
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Track what? Stop what? Did you read the first half of the thread?
Based on my experience 500 yards with good equipment is darn easy. But 200 yards with a rusted out barrel, ziploc fully of mystery rounds and an antique scope with a cateract can be pretty tricky. Don't pretend you are a better shot purely because of your skill as a marksman. Everyone is leaning very heavily on tech. And tech comes from dollars not skill.
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Well I’m not suggesting anything be legislated which is why I suggested with my first post that weapon restrictions which is typically under the purvey of the commissions would be a better option for the issues they are trying to address which if I read correctly from the article was 1) animals not having the sensory capabilities to detect you and 2) wounding due to long range shooting. Weapon restrictions would at least address issue 1. Not sure how you address 2) because long range is relative to each weapon and likely hunters are always going to push the issue. I think it’s a valid question for us hunters to consider, at what range shot is it even hunting? Technology is only getting better.
FAIR CHASE, as defined by the Boone and Crockett Club, is the ethical, sportsmanlike, and lawful pursuit and taking of any free-ranging wild game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper or unfair advantage over the game animals
Long range shooting is fine at the range, but once it involves game animals it's a fair chase question.
I get that ruffles some feathers, but at a certain point the advantage through technology becomes so great that it can no longer be called fair chase.
Long range shooting is fine at the range, but once it involves game animals it's a fair chase question.
I get that ruffles some feathers, but at a certain point the advantage through technology becomes so great that it can no longer be called fair chase.
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3 or 4x maximum magnification for modern rifle seasons and make range finders illegal. That “should” eliminate a lot of the long range shots, but plenty of idiots will still send it.
BrentD
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I do not see what scope power has to do with anything.
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I support this Alabama concept of “primitive weapons”. I’d take that further and try September-November primitive only for all big game. Any sort of bow, crossbow, muzzleloader or pneumatic. Don’t get me wrong here, I fully support long range shooting and I’ve got some issues with that damn NFA, but that’s not hunting related. In hunting we should hunt which is to stalk, ambush; get as close as possible.
Now the juiced muzzleloaders might be packed with 150gr white hots and a Burris Eliminator on top. Yet it is the limiting factor of the gun itself that will force the shooter to stalk within 200yds.
Now the juiced muzzleloaders might be packed with 150gr white hots and a Burris Eliminator on top. Yet it is the limiting factor of the gun itself that will force the shooter to stalk within 200yds.
While I wasn't there when the legislature mulled over the motivation for why they are initiating a discussion surrounding this topic, shouldn't the only discussion be the above? No talk of scopes, or calibers, or weapons restrictions; rather a discussion about what we think is the distance at which the scales tip in the favor of an unfair advantage over the game animals? This can absolutely be given a distance as the driving determinant, right?
I don't know why not.
Don't know why the sad face. It's a drag racing reference. Guess you didn't do any of that. mtmuley
BrentD
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No I raced bicycles. The best prize I never won was a Pizza. And that wasn't even for the winner. And I won my share of races.
But why would I want to race for his rifle?
It would be of no value to me. Cash would be good though. I had an internet keyboard wizard who wanted to beat me with my own rifle. I said sure, how about a $1000? And he went for it.
Until someone who about the sport and some of the better shooters pointed out to h8m, that he had about a snowball's chance in Hell of winning.
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Area of 100 yard radius = 6.5 Acres
Area of 800 yard radius = 415 Acres
Do ya figure it's easier for a deer to avoid a 6.5 acre area or a 415 acre area?
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Milling and using onX would be the new rangefinder and i'd have zero issues shooting 400 yds plus with a 4x scope. I don't think that is a great solution.
BrentD
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The precision of onx and the time required, will probably negate that as being very important. You can hit it four hundred yards with iron sights.If you bother to learn.
But limit the length of your bullet to twice the diameter of your bullet.And you will find four hundred yards to be a bit more challenge. It's the bullet that matters, not the velocity, Not the sights.
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We’re of the same thought, limit the gun, limit the hunter. I’d even add in straight wall as primitive weapons. Sure, you’ll have dummies trying to drop in 700yd bombs with a .50-110, but it’ll be fewer dummies.
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Interesting, so making breeding sounds when the animal is most vulnerable during the mating season is fair? Sitting in a heated box blind where your scent is enclosed on the edge of a grain field is fair? How about throwing out decoys to make the bird believe there are other birds and making sounds that mimic those birds? That’s fair? How about putting out a feeder or bait and whacking an animal that comes in to feed there? Sitting on a water hole when there is no other water around? How about letting a pack of dogs chase the animal down to a tree and then whacking it out of a tree. That’s fair? lol ok I guess. It’s crazy how sportsman twist ourselves in to these beliefs. Like half these activities I personally don’t think are all that fair, I have no interest in doing them. So I don’t.
Like the ones Frank Mayer and Billy Dixon used? Those guys musta been the flat bill Bros of the 1800’s. Bob Beck and Berger bullets dont got chit on those dudes.
I guess I would start with some states have said a couple of those things are not fair and thus illegal.
Most of your examples are an interaction with the animal, particularly calling and decoying. All of your examples take place where the animal may have the oppertunity detect something is wrong before it is dead.
I suspect you would agree it's easier to hunt turkeys that have not been called to day in day out all season. Or to decoy fresh ducks. A deer at 900 yards has no idea it is evening being shot at unless its is hit. 900 yards is over 1/2 a mile away.
I would think it would reflect more poorly on sportsmen to turn a blind eye when we recognize a fair chase issue because of technology. We see the same thing happening with drones, thermals and dogs. I get that no one wants to be questioned on their actions, but as a group we will last longer if we don't spend our time in an echo camber.
Most of your examples are an interaction with the animal, particularly calling and decoying. All of your examples take place where the animal may have the oppertunity detect something is wrong before it is dead.
I suspect you would agree it's easier to hunt turkeys that have not been called to day in day out all season. Or to decoy fresh ducks. A deer at 900 yards has no idea it is evening being shot at unless its is hit. 900 yards is over 1/2 a mile away.
I would think it would reflect more poorly on sportsmen to turn a blind eye when we recognize a fair chase issue because of technology. We see the same thing happening with drones, thermals and dogs. I get that no one wants to be questioned on their actions, but as a group we will last longer if we don't spend our time in an echo camber.
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We have too many beuocrats sitting on their asses trying to dream up new regs to justify their existance. And the ignorant public believes these do-nothings add value. Ya cant fix stupid!!
Too bad we cant administer a narcisissm test!! It ultimately gets down to that.
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