Frank Church Wilderness to allow chain saws......

[BuzzH]

Did you read the post? It’s all being done within the parameters of the law and the wilderness act.
Because sometimes it’s necessary to make adjustments for the good of the resource.

Yes, its ridiculous that exceptions are being made to bedrock Acts because congress has failed public lands and the American Public.

 

[2rocky]

Just another example of a way to make up for firing trail crews and slashing the FS budget.

Maybe next year they can allow motorcycles and atv's into the wilderness too.

you are not wrong...

But we can stand on principle and watch what we love become inaccessible, or reevaluate what our real goals are and work towards those goals with what we have available and make actual progress.

Many discussions to be had about what Wilderness means and if the Act as written today is delivering the results we want. The tools we use don't define our values. The application of them does.

In regards to trail clearing, it is about like roadside mowing in my home county. if you wait for the Gov't to do it, it isn't going to get done, so you just do it yourself. Outfitters and the Backcountry Horsemen chapters across the
west have picked up the slack and are falling further and further behind. The REI volunteer bunch isn't gonna do anything more than a 150 yards from a road.

 

[Elktrack]

Yes, its ridiculous that exceptions are being made to bedrock Acts because congress has failed public lands and the American Public.

I can agree with you on that

 

[BuzzH]

you are not wrong...

But we can stand on principle and watch what we love become inaccessible, or reevaluate what our real goals are and work towards those goals with what we have available and make actual progress.

Many discussions to be had about what Wilderness means and if the Act as written today is delivering the results we want. The tools we use don't define our values. The application of them does.

In regards to trail clearing, it is about like roadside mowing in my home county. if you wait for the Gov't to do it, it isn't going to get done, so you just do it yourself. Outfitters and the Backcountry Horsemen chapters across the
west have picked up the slack and are falling further and further behind. The REI volunteer bunch isn't gonna do anything more than a 150 yards from a road.

So set aside values for convenience...hope you're good with mountain bikes, atvs, and motor bikes in wilderness areas.

I mean its just so inconvenient to walk or ride a horse. That's not progress.

Have you ever read the Wilderness Act?

 

[Lasiocarpa]

Did you read the post? It’s all being done within the parameters of the law and the wilderness act.
Because sometimes it’s necessary to make adjustments for the good of the resource.

“The good of the resource”? That’s a stretch lol. More like for human convenience.

 

[BuzzH]

The Wilderness Act

The Wilderness Act

wilderness.net

 

[Carl 9.3x62]

Even brushing back roads would be a good start.

I drove one today that had several trees cut out only a couple inches wider than a pickup. You can basically see the land management agency that owns the roads office from it

I blame side by sides for the narrow roads

 

[INMT]

I’m not suggesting that a double mastectomy should be performed on the federal tits you boys are so fond of.
I’m just saying being able to use a chainsaw makes sense. Since your beloved FS is unable to maintain the trails and the actual users have been left with the chore, occasional strict use is a great idea.

Most trails are maintained by outfitters in the Frank Church until they are forced to find different routes because they can’t saw through miles of blow down. There’s trails that have been made in poor locations for erosion and such because they are the only way around rather than clear the trail.

In typical fed fashion you can’t grasp the idea of a non govt trained individual using a chainsaw to clear trail. Especially without a contract.
Ridiculous.

Hell, I bet if you just allowed the outfitters a small window of time each year, they’d have the trails cleared in short order. Probably get some BHA folks to tag along and help out too.

Interesting how anyone that suggests there are merits to allowing limited chainsaw use is automatically against wilderness, wants motorcycle access, and has a cranial suppository, etc.

If this was a proposal to allow the FS the same limited use to maintain the resources, you boys would be all for it.

Enjoy your evening

Just out of curiosity, what’s your profession?

Asking so I can tell you how to best do your job.