Forest Service Reorg - Progress or Politics

[sclancy27]

Wait, I thought USFS HQ was already in CO or NM?

 

[SAJ-99]

If you move your agency management & top experts away from congress, then less information gets to decision makers.

Given they are getting rid of regional offices, I think most of this is to get rid of the decentralized decision making. I've seen it in the corporate world hundreds of times. It almost never works because of the "less information" problem you mentioned and the limitations of a single person in processing the variations in that information. As Randy hinted at, failure is the point.

Wait, I thought USFS HQ was already in CO or NM?

Probably thinking BLM move in 2019- Grand Junction

 

[Ben Lamb]

Wait, I thought USFS HQ was already in CO or NM?

BLM moved their HQ to Grand Junction under Trump 1. Biden moved most functions back to DC, but left the office and call it the Western HQ .

 

[sclancy27]

BLM moved their HQ to Grand Junction under Trump 1. Biden moved most functions back to DC, but left the office and call it the Western HQ .

That's what I thought. I didn't realize Biden moved most back tho.

 

[Ben Lamb]

That's what I thought. I didn't realize Biden moved most back tho.

 

[daltrix99]

Given they are getting rid of regional offices, I think most of this is to get rid of the decentralized decision making. I've seen it in the corporate world hundreds of times. It almost never works because of the "less information" problem you mentioned and the limitations of a single person in processing the variations in that information. As Randy hinted at, failure is the point.


Probably thinking BLM move in 2019- Grand Junction

FWIW I'd be unbothered if the USFS were in CO, NM, or a lot of other places. It's Utah's public lands politics that concern me, not it's geographic location.

 

[Irrelevant]

I'm all about using business practices to make government more efficient. That requires following business principles in how changes are studies/debated/arrived at, and how improvements are implemented.

If people actually knew how incredibly inefficient big business actually was, it would turn this concept on its head.

Over my career, I have noticed that all big businesses run poorly, and many small businesses run poorly. There seems to be a sweet spot between ~20 and ~200 staff where things can actually be pretty efficient but it is all dictated by the quality of the individual managers or "boss". Which in my mind justifies and supports @Nameless Range comment about trust being tied to local control.

 

[rogerthat]

This is where our opinions diverge.

Ben’s never more right wiith that statement.

 

[rogerthat]

This admin couldn’t manage a Wendy’s drive through let alone a big reorg like this. This will be another giant waste of money. Will not be codified by Congress and will be undone just like all the other stupid crap these fools are doing.

Absolute chaotic stupidity day after day from these clowns. I’m not sure how much more of this crap I can take.

 

[sclancy27]

If people actually knew how incredibly inefficient big business actually was, it would turn this concept on its head.

Over my career, I have noticed that all big businesses run poorly, and many small businesses run poorly. There seems to be a sweet spot between ~20 and ~200 staff where things can actually be pretty efficient but it is all dictated by the quality of the individual managers or "boss". Which in my mind justifies and supports @Nameless Range comment about trust being tied to local control.

No doubt. I know numerous people who work in big business, including my wife (Boeing). They are shit shows.