noharleyyet
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Crossbows
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Personally, I could care less if a person uses a rifle, bow, crossbow, smoke pole, or even a speer for that matter, as long as they use the weapon in the most ethical way for a clean ethical shot.
That being said, I do have a little bit of a problem with guys who now think that they are an archery hunter, and can shoot at anything out to 100 yards. For example, in my state, (and especially my area of the state), it is very tough to draw an antelope tag for rifle season. But you can get a statewide archery tag OTC. I know a guy who bought his tag, went and borrowed his buddy's crossbow and went out and shot an antelope. NO BIG DEAL RIGHT?
The rest of the story is that he shot it at around 65 yards in a strong wind. He had NEVER shot the crossbow before. Yes, in this case, he made a clean shot, but my point is that it could have been a very bad shot just as easily. I can only speculate, but I am guessing that if he had made a bad shot, either he would have pulled out a rifle to finish the job, or he would have let it go. Yes, pure speculation on my part, but based on hunting stories I have heard about this guy, I won't go hunting with him for reasons like this.
I realize not every person is like this, but I just thought I would bring it up. I think a lot of people dont hunt archery because it is too much work, in comparison to hunting with a rifle (just like the guy I just mentioned). My fear is that this opens up a bigger window for people like this.
If people do it right, then by all means go buy a crossbow, and use it for your hunting. Like I said in the beginning, I don't care what people use as their weapon of choice, as long as they use it in an ethical manner. Just my $.02.
That being said, I do have a little bit of a problem with guys who now think that they are an archery hunter, and can shoot at anything out to 100 yards. For example, in my state, (and especially my area of the state), it is very tough to draw an antelope tag for rifle season. But you can get a statewide archery tag OTC. I know a guy who bought his tag, went and borrowed his buddy's crossbow and went out and shot an antelope. NO BIG DEAL RIGHT?
The rest of the story is that he shot it at around 65 yards in a strong wind. He had NEVER shot the crossbow before. Yes, in this case, he made a clean shot, but my point is that it could have been a very bad shot just as easily. I can only speculate, but I am guessing that if he had made a bad shot, either he would have pulled out a rifle to finish the job, or he would have let it go. Yes, pure speculation on my part, but based on hunting stories I have heard about this guy, I won't go hunting with him for reasons like this.
I realize not every person is like this, but I just thought I would bring it up. I think a lot of people dont hunt archery because it is too much work, in comparison to hunting with a rifle (just like the guy I just mentioned). My fear is that this opens up a bigger window for people like this.
If people do it right, then by all means go buy a crossbow, and use it for your hunting. Like I said in the beginning, I don't care what people use as their weapon of choice, as long as they use it in an ethical manner. Just my $.02.
Straight Arrow, you are correct with Mr. Jennings. I met Mr. Jennings after testifing against the proposed Bill in Helena. The MBA later arranged to meet with Mr. Jennings to get his equipment modified and later a couple of members took him hunting. He harvested a deer on that hunt with his modified bow. I don't see changes coming in the next several years for crossbows in the archery season, but one never knows.
tjones . . . now that's funny. Ole Mr. Bridges kept getting refused on his attempts to get a muzzleloder season during the archery season. I don't see changes coming in the next several years for muzzleloaders in the archery season, but one never knows.
wyoming556 . . . your example of a speed limit is a perfect example how a few individuals can "ruin it" for the majority. It only took that guy driving from Bozeman to Livingston to get pulled over going 120 mph and then winning in court to convince Legislators that there was a need for a posted speed limit. Otherwise, we may very well still have a "safe and prudent" speed limit. Same thought applies to those individuals that shoot their bows "faster" and "further" or want to use a Crossbow or Muzzleloader during archery season. Do we have to accommodate everyone. Muzzleloaders are a gun . . . they belong in a gun season. IMO . . . Crossbows, because of their mechanics and capabilities don't belong in archery season, either. Their characteristics catagorize them in a gun season, as well. It's human nature to try and push the limits. At some point you have to tell those individuals "No". That's what you're hearing now.
It may change. Then again, it may not. Things do change over time, but in some instances . . . not for a long time.
tjones . . . now that's funny. Ole Mr. Bridges kept getting refused on his attempts to get a muzzleloder season during the archery season. I don't see changes coming in the next several years for muzzleloaders in the archery season, but one never knows.
wyoming556 . . . your example of a speed limit is a perfect example how a few individuals can "ruin it" for the majority. It only took that guy driving from Bozeman to Livingston to get pulled over going 120 mph and then winning in court to convince Legislators that there was a need for a posted speed limit. Otherwise, we may very well still have a "safe and prudent" speed limit. Same thought applies to those individuals that shoot their bows "faster" and "further" or want to use a Crossbow or Muzzleloader during archery season. Do we have to accommodate everyone. Muzzleloaders are a gun . . . they belong in a gun season. IMO . . . Crossbows, because of their mechanics and capabilities don't belong in archery season, either. Their characteristics catagorize them in a gun season, as well. It's human nature to try and push the limits. At some point you have to tell those individuals "No". That's what you're hearing now.
It may change. Then again, it may not. Things do change over time, but in some instances . . . not for a long time.
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Dinkshooter
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You are mistaken. Not allowed during archery.
OK, wyoming556.
Did a little research and asked a few other bowhunters. The following States (and yes that's with an "s") allow muzzleloader hunting at some point during the archery season. Most overlap there season in one way or another.
OHIO - early muzzleloader season during the archery season.
MICHIGAN - allow both archery and muzzleloaders in December.
NEBRASKA -
NEW JERSEY - archery, black powder, and shotguns at the same time.
ILLINOIS - late season muzzleloader season during archery season. Archers must wear orange.
VIRGINIA - muzzleloader season starts last week of archery season.
COLORADO - muzzeloader sesaon in the 3rd week of September (right in the "middle" of archery season).
MISSOURI - muzzleloader season runs during archery season. Rifle doe season and youth rifle season runs during archery season. Better stated: The only time archery season closes is for eleven (11) days during the regular rifle season. Archer have to wear orange.
MOST OF THESE STATES (AND PROBABLY OTHERS) ALLOW CROSSBOWS DURING THE ARCHERY SEASON.
"There isn't any such place that I am aware of, nor is there any group that supports such a crazy notion. You are just pulling stuff out your arse. I will no longer debate with someone with so little to offer an intelligent and constructive conversation. Have a great day. " Yep, right out of my arse.
I too will no longer debate/argue with someone with so little to offer an intelligent and constructive conversation . . . I am going to take MY ball and go play over here. I just didn't have the time to go find "the facts", but you (yes ... you wyoming556) inspired me by your "holyier than thou" attitude.
Good day, Sir!
Did a little research and asked a few other bowhunters. The following States (and yes that's with an "s") allow muzzleloader hunting at some point during the archery season. Most overlap there season in one way or another.
OHIO - early muzzleloader season during the archery season.
MICHIGAN - allow both archery and muzzleloaders in December.
NEBRASKA -
NEW JERSEY - archery, black powder, and shotguns at the same time.
ILLINOIS - late season muzzleloader season during archery season. Archers must wear orange.
VIRGINIA - muzzleloader season starts last week of archery season.
COLORADO - muzzeloader sesaon in the 3rd week of September (right in the "middle" of archery season).
MISSOURI - muzzleloader season runs during archery season. Rifle doe season and youth rifle season runs during archery season. Better stated: The only time archery season closes is for eleven (11) days during the regular rifle season. Archer have to wear orange.
MOST OF THESE STATES (AND PROBABLY OTHERS) ALLOW CROSSBOWS DURING THE ARCHERY SEASON.
"There isn't any such place that I am aware of, nor is there any group that supports such a crazy notion. You are just pulling stuff out your arse. I will no longer debate with someone with so little to offer an intelligent and constructive conversation. Have a great day. " Yep, right out of my arse.
I too will no longer debate/argue with someone with so little to offer an intelligent and constructive conversation . . . I am going to take MY ball and go play over here.
I just didn't have the time to go find "the facts", but you (yes ... you wyoming556) inspired me by your "holyier than thou" attitude.Good day, Sir!
Dinkshooter
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Opps my bad, thought we were still talking about bow-guns, not muzzy during archery season.
There is no bow-guns allowed during archery season, there is however a Muzzy season smack dab in the middle or archery season.
There is no bow-guns allowed during archery season, there is however a Muzzy season smack dab in the middle or archery season.
d-bone20917
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OK, wyoming556.
Did a little research and asked a few other bowhunters. The following States (and yes that's with an "s") allow muzzleloader hunting at some point during the archery season. Most overlap there season in one way or another.
OHIO - early muzzleloader season during the archery season.
MICHIGAN - allow both archery and muzzleloaders in December.
NEBRASKA -
NEW JERSEY - archery, black powder, and shotguns at the same time.
ILLINOIS - late season muzzleloader season during archery season. Archers must wear orange.
VIRGINIA - muzzleloader season starts last week of archery season.
COLORADO - muzzeloader sesaon in the 3rd week of September (right in the "middle" of archery season).
MISSOURI - muzzleloader season runs during archery season. Rifle doe season and youth rifle season runs during archery season. Better stated: The only time archery season closes is for eleven (11) days during the regular rifle season. Archer have to wear orange.
MOST OF THESE STATES (AND PROBABLY OTHERS) ALLOW CROSSBOWS DURING THE ARCHERY SEASON.
"There isn't any such place that I am aware of, nor is there any group that supports such a crazy notion. You are just pulling stuff out your arse. I will no longer debate with someone with so little to offer an intelligent and constructive conversation. Have a great day. " Yep, right out of my arse.
I too will no longer debate/argue with someone with so little to offer an intelligent and constructive conversation . . . I am going to take MY ball and go play over here.
Good day, Sir!
You can add NY to that list too. Our Muzzy season is during archery season.
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Overlapping seasons happen all the time, that's not what you said. You said muzzleloaders during an archery season. Muzzleloader season during an archery season is different. Same could be said for centerfire gun seasons during an archery season, happens all the time as well all across the country. That's not the same as allowing muzzleloaders as a legal weapon during an archery season like you implied. No state allows that. You didn't prove anything but your inability to read. go back and read the post.
Where are muzzleloaders allowed during an archery only season?
Where are muzzleloaders allowed during an archery only season?
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RUT JUNKEY
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JMG, here in Indiana the bow season comes in Oct 1st and runs til Jan 6th and never has a gap, so, yes you can hunt with a bow during all of our seasons. . . . here it does overlap. I'm with WYO, I didn't think that was what we were debating. I may be lost? That does happen to me.
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Good god, learn to read man. According to your flawed logic centerfire guns are also allowed during archery season since the seasons overlap in many states.
Your logic "Sweet I can use my .300 win mag or 50 caliber muzzy during archery season!!"
My logic "Yea that's not exactly how it works. But if you want to see it that way good for you"
In reality no gun or muzzleloader is a legal weapon during an archery season but in your mind it is. The concept of overlaping seasons seems to confuse you for some reason.
I nominate JMG and this conversations to be one of the dumbest on this site for 2013.
Your logic "Sweet I can use my .300 win mag or 50 caliber muzzy during archery season!!"
My logic "Yea that's not exactly how it works. But if you want to see it that way good for you"
In reality no gun or muzzleloader is a legal weapon during an archery season but in your mind it is. The concept of overlaping seasons seems to confuse you for some reason.
I nominate JMG and this conversations to be one of the dumbest on this site for 2013.
noharleyyet
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JMG, here in Indiana the bow season comes in Oct 1st and runs til Jan 6th and never has a gap, so, yes you can hunt with a bow during all of our seasons. . . . here it does overlap. I'm with WYO, I didn't think that was what we were debating. I may be lost? That does happen to me.
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tjones
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WRONG!!!! Now let it go.
--- HD 260 Bitterroot-Clark Fork Archery District ---
NOTE: Mostly private land - Access is diffi cult.
General Deer License.
• Sept 01 - Jan 15 — Either-sex White-tailed Deer. ArchEquip only.
Deer B License. Drawing only. Apply by June 1.
260-20: 300 B licenses. ArchEquip only. Not valid on Lee Metcalf Refuge.
• Sept 01 - Jan 15 — Either-sex White-tailed Deer. ArchEquip Only.
260-30: 500 B licenses. Only ArchEquip, shotgun, traditional handgun,
muzzleloader or crossbow may be used with this license. Valid
in HDs 204, 240, 250, 260, 261 and 270. Not valid on Lee Metcalf
Refuge and FWP lands except Tucker Crossing FAS. Successful
applicants may purchase up to fi ve of these B licenses with the
same date and weapons restrictions.
• Dec 01 - Jan 15 — Antlerless White-tailed Deer.
Deer B License. Purchase beginning August 6.
260-10: Over-the-counter B licenses. ArchEquip only. Only valid in HDs
204, 240, 250, 260, 261, 270 and 283. Up to fi ve 260-10 Antlerless
White-tailed Deer B Licenses per hunter.
• Sept 01 - Jan 15 — Antlerless White-tailed Deer. ArchEquip only.
Bazinga!!!
--- HD 260 Bitterroot-Clark Fork Archery District ---
NOTE: Mostly private land - Access is diffi cult.
General Deer License.
• Sept 01 - Jan 15 — Either-sex White-tailed Deer. ArchEquip only.
Deer B License. Drawing only. Apply by June 1.
260-20: 300 B licenses. ArchEquip only. Not valid on Lee Metcalf Refuge.
• Sept 01 - Jan 15 — Either-sex White-tailed Deer. ArchEquip Only.
260-30: 500 B licenses. Only ArchEquip, shotgun, traditional handgun,
muzzleloader or crossbow may be used with this license. Valid
in HDs 204, 240, 250, 260, 261 and 270. Not valid on Lee Metcalf
Refuge and FWP lands except Tucker Crossing FAS. Successful
applicants may purchase up to fi ve of these B licenses with the
same date and weapons restrictions.
• Dec 01 - Jan 15 — Antlerless White-tailed Deer.
Deer B License. Purchase beginning August 6.
260-10: Over-the-counter B licenses. ArchEquip only. Only valid in HDs
204, 240, 250, 260, 261, 270 and 283. Up to fi ve 260-10 Antlerless
White-tailed Deer B Licenses per hunter.
• Sept 01 - Jan 15 — Antlerless White-tailed Deer. ArchEquip only.
Bazinga!!!
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Nice find T-Jones. So in 1 unit in MT with strange restrictions muzzleloaders are legal during an archery only season. Only in MT would handguns, shotguns, and muzzleloaders be considered "archery equipment". I stand corrected. That is easily one of the strangest weapon restrictions I have ever read.
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tjones
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I do believe you owe Mister JMG and apology.
It was not a find, I hunt this district all the time. Just giving you enough rope.
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JMG, Apparantly I was wrong. There is 1 unit in your own state that allows guns during a archery only season which absolutely amazes me.
TJones, you owe me an apology too becasue you said crossbows would "never" be allowed during archery season in MT, they alrady are according to your info. You were wrong as well. The rope is around your neck. Laffin. :hump:
