JohnCushman
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Punctuation, please
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Punctuation, please
JohnCushman
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No idea. . .turn around and check the poster on the wall behind you! ( couldn't resist Cushman)!
I took down my Village People poster a couple weeks ago to put a blow up of Dink in his skivvies on the wall
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RUT JUNKEY
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I took down my Village People poster a couple weeks ago to put a blow up of Dink in his skivvies on the wall
NIIIIIIIIICE! I think I just threw up in my mouth a little!
Shoots-straight, your comments are spot on.
This discussion comes every year or so (just like muzzleloaders). PSE developed a crossbow that was capable of shooting through an elephant (I believe there was a video). If a crossbow can do this, think about its ability to shoot 100 yards or better. Why not just pick up a rifle and go rifle hunting.
Most folks archery hunt, because it is a "primative" sport. Meaning it's more difficult to be successful, thus it is more challenging. With all the new improvements, gadgets, and desire to use a crossbow/muzzleloader the sport is evolving away from its "primative" nature.
When I get too old or not strong enough to effectively pull back my compound ... I will rifle hunt more. That's life . . . I don't anticipate wanting to change the regulations or laws to suit me. I see quite a bit, where some "out-of-state" person moves to Montana to get away from the way they do things in the State they just left ... and the first thing they do is try to change things here in Montana to reflect what they just left.
Its OK to use a crossbow or muzzleloader in the five (5) week rifle season. That's where most Montanan's believe they belong. Archery hunting has never been an effective way to manage wildlife. Folks do it, primarily, to get out during that time of year and have an opportunity to harvest wild game. Once you start allowing crossbows and muzzleloaders, the State Game Managers will have to put in place more restrictive regulations to lessen the affects on the State's wild game populations.
This discussion comes every year or so (just like muzzleloaders). PSE developed a crossbow that was capable of shooting through an elephant (I believe there was a video). If a crossbow can do this, think about its ability to shoot 100 yards or better. Why not just pick up a rifle and go rifle hunting.
Most folks archery hunt, because it is a "primative" sport. Meaning it's more difficult to be successful, thus it is more challenging. With all the new improvements, gadgets, and desire to use a crossbow/muzzleloader the sport is evolving away from its "primative" nature.
When I get too old or not strong enough to effectively pull back my compound ... I will rifle hunt more. That's life . . . I don't anticipate wanting to change the regulations or laws to suit me. I see quite a bit, where some "out-of-state" person moves to Montana to get away from the way they do things in the State they just left ... and the first thing they do is try to change things here in Montana to reflect what they just left.
Its OK to use a crossbow or muzzleloader in the five (5) week rifle season. That's where most Montanan's believe they belong. Archery hunting has never been an effective way to manage wildlife. Folks do it, primarily, to get out during that time of year and have an opportunity to harvest wild game. Once you start allowing crossbows and muzzleloaders, the State Game Managers will have to put in place more restrictive regulations to lessen the affects on the State's wild game populations.
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Where has this happened?
Montanans keep bringing it up but the states where I hunt(OK, NE, WY) that allow crossbows havent had to do anything to the seasons or regulations becasue of legalizing crossbows during archery season.
DRAFTSTUD
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Crossbow, Compound Bow, whatever, just remember to stay in shape for when that time comes. John
Good question . . . hasn't happened yet (could be wrong) . . . but it has been brought up in discussions w/ MT FWP officials.
I do know that when these "special interest groups" (may not be the best way to catagorize them), bring up they want crossbows or muzzleloaders . . . there is discussion about carving out a week or two or more for their choice of weapon. This takes away from the already established seasons. Just you the damn things during the five (5) general rifle season. Point is . . . folks can already use them. The potential for conflict (harm) coming to someone in camo, because some crossbow hunter or muzzleload hunter wasn't sure of there target out beyond 100 yards is too likely to happen. Safety is the biggest reason to keep them out of archery season. Once this is heard, then they want their own separate season and they alway propose archery season. If that's the case, carve a couple of weeks out of rifle season and get ready for the on-slaught of complaints by rifle hunters.
I do know that when these "special interest groups" (may not be the best way to catagorize them), bring up they want crossbows or muzzleloaders . . . there is discussion about carving out a week or two or more for their choice of weapon. This takes away from the already established seasons. Just you the damn things during the five (5) general rifle season. Point is . . . folks can already use them. The potential for conflict (harm) coming to someone in camo, because some crossbow hunter or muzzleload hunter wasn't sure of there target out beyond 100 yards is too likely to happen. Safety is the biggest reason to keep them out of archery season. Once this is heard, then they want their own separate season and they alway propose archery season. If that's the case, carve a couple of weeks out of rifle season and get ready for the on-slaught of complaints by rifle hunters.
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Do these states have a 6 week archery seasons, followed by 5 weeks of rifle and some 4 1/2 month WT archery only seasons ?
RUT JUNKEY
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If someone is shooting a crossbow 100yds. . .they are not a very good hunter to start with! Never should be a need for that. A bolt starts to drop drastically out past 50 yds, I can't imagine how far at 100yds. I'm a bow guy myself, but, lets be real. . .the new bows are NO WHERE NEAR "primitive", so unless you are hunting with a long bow, fingers, feathers, bare bones bow. . . .then its not "primitive". Just my opinion . . .good or bad.
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100 yards...pshhh please...watch the sight favorite demolish that Beast Mode Style..with a legal bow ...not to argue with you guys but the performance of a crossbow is equal to or less than that of today's hand held bows...just something to keep you crazies talking:hump:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-E5tTh3n34c#!
RUT JUNKEY
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agree!
JohnCushman
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There was an episode of Wildgame Nation where Craig Morgan shot and killed an antelope at like 86 yards with a crossbow
RUT JUNKEY
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oh I think its possible, but, I'm guessing he was holding 2ft over his back. The only way to shoot that far here is if its in a cornfield.
tarheel
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Here's one for AR-15 and crossbow haters.
http://youtu.be/b5nVSfv0Rlg
http://youtu.be/b5nVSfv0Rlg
Mudranger1 . . . my point exactly . . . why not just pick up a rifle and go rifle hunting. Once you start shooting "faster" and "further", you are now getting further and further away from the actual sport of bowhunting.
Folks don't hunt with a bow, because they have to . . . they do it because the want to. If you want to put meat in the freezer, you're more than likely going to use a gun.
Video: Good for him (who ever he was) . . . that (IMO) wasn't even a "quality" kill shot on a real animal. He would have wounded that animal and eventually recovered it. Then again, he may not even take a shot on an animal over 60 yards while out bowhunting.
Folks don't hunt with a bow, because they have to . . . they do it because the want to. If you want to put meat in the freezer, you're more than likely going to use a gun.
Video: Good for him (who ever he was) . . . that (IMO) wasn't even a "quality" kill shot on a real animal. He would have wounded that animal and eventually recovered it. Then again, he may not even take a shot on an animal over 60 yards while out bowhunting.
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hmmm I thought this was your point
The potential for conflict (harm) coming to someone in camo, because some crossbow hunter or muzzleloader hunter wasn't sure of there target out beyond 100 yards is too likely to happen. Safety is the biggest reason to keep them out of archery season.
for which I say...What kind of RATARD statement is that....I'm not even sure I could have a real conversation after that statement
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I've posted this before but I like to see your heads spin around here See bold, italic, underline disclaimer before you stroke out.
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See bold, italic, underline disclaimer before you stroke out. 10/22 Arrow Kit
Everything you'll need, but the 10/22 and the scope!
These kits easily convert a Ruger 10/22 rifle into an archery rifle that can fire five arrows within a one-inch group at 50 yards. It only takes a few minutes to remove the stock 10/22 barrel and replace it with the Arrow assembly. Operation is as simple as sliding an arrow inside the shroud, inserting a blank in the chamber...and firing. Arrows go downrange at an impressive 425 feet per second.
Final build is classified as a firearm, so check local laws before ordering. They are currently legal in many U.S. states for hunting during the rifle seasons. This conversion can not fire live ammunition.
Deluxe Kit Includes:
■Barrel Assembly (black)
■6 ea camouflaged arrows, with target tips (6-each)
■Blanks, 100 pc. Power-Level 6 (Purple)
■Blank Insertion Tool
■Instruction booklet
■Hogue 10/22 Stock (with .920 barrel channel)
■LT178 Ruger 10/22 Rail
■LT719 Ultra-Low Mount
■LT136 Spacer
■LaRue Cheek Pad
wyoming556
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As you know the regs vary from state to state. In Nebraska for example we have a generous muzzy season that last over 4 weeks along with a couple of weeks for centerfire season, and archery season lasts over 3 months for deer and over 4 months for antelope.
My point is that as far as I know no state that allows crossbow use has changed the archery seasons length even though it constantly gets brought up in this thread. .
Do you know of any?
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Well if your points are valid please answer these 3 questions to confirm.
What states are having safety issues with crossbows used during archery season?
What states are having safety issues with muzzleloader season?
What states have a seperate "crosbow only" season outside regular archery?
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