Conservation or Big Beautiful Ballrooms?

[Gulf of America]

It's interesting how well the propaganda works on some.

The irony of you saying this isn't lost on the rest of us.

 

[El Jason]

Who knew?

 

[jimh406]

The irony of you saying this isn't lost on the rest of us.

You should look up words before you try to use them.

 

[Dave N]

Face it. They're all crooked.

 

[Nick87]

Face it. They're all crooked.

Yah, but......

 

[Irrelevant]

There are literally hundreds of billions in fraud being found

where? link?

 

[noharleyyet]

Face it. They're all crooked.

“They should be required to wear NASCAR jackets as sponsor placards.”

-Jose Quervo

 

[Irrelevant]

It's interesting how well the propaganda works on some.

What's propaganda?
Most of my links have been from Bari Weiss' The Free Press, the outlet that's consistently labeled by the traditional "liberal media" as "Trump-friendly"

So you're right, it is funny how propaganda works on some. He was clearly correct when he said, "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters"

 

[406dn]

It may or may not be true that every politician is crooked, I hope it's not true.

One thing that is true is the subset of politicians who have paid out a $5 million judgement to a woman for sexual assault and defamation is a small one.

 

[jimh406]

where? link?

My point, apparently not so obvious, is people are hyper-focused on a building structure addition to protect politicians from the crazies. No matter who is in the WH, it will be used for decades to come. Yet, the same people ignore literally hundreds of other billions that we got nothing for.

It's not that hard to find the articles if you bother to look. If you are waiting for your media to call it out, it may be a while. Just a couple of samples below ... you might trust at least one of these links ... maybe not.

The Great Grift: How billions in COVID-19 relief aid was stolen or wasted

An Associated Press analysis found that fraudsters potentially stole more than $280 billion in COVID-19 relief funding; another $123 billion was wasted or misspent.

apnews.com

Gavin Newsom’s Empire of Fraud

California has lost at least $180 billion to fraud, according to officials and experts.

www.city-journal.org

 

[406dn]

My point, apparently not so obvious, is people are hyper-focused on a building structure addition to protect politicians from the crazies.

Are we talking the January 6 rioters???

Of course not.

There is almost nothing positive to say about a gilded ballroom. It's a garish, white elephant.

 

[Dave N]

It may or may not be true that every politician is crooked, I hope it's not true.

One thing that is true is the subset of politicians who have paid out a $5 million judgement to a woman for sexual assault and defamation is a small one.

Meanwhile, they voted NOT to release the names of those accused of sexual misconduct.

 

[jimh406]

Meanwhile, they voted NOT to release the names of those accused of sexual misconduct.

House Votes Unanimously to Release Sexual Harassment Records | Legis1

House passes H.Res. 1399 in 420-0 vote directing release of Congressional sexual harassment settlement records. Historic bipartisan agreement.

legis1.com

 

[Dave N]

House Votes Unanimously to Release Sexual Harassment Records | Legis1

House passes H.Res. 1399 in 420-0 vote directing release of Congressional sexual harassment settlement records. Historic bipartisan agreement.

legis1.com

Wow, I missed that! Wonder what changed their minds.

 

[jimh406]

Are we talking the January 6 rioters???
..
There is almost nothing positive to say about a gilded ballroom. It's a garish, white elephant.

No matter your view of Jan 6 and who was/was not at risk, there were options for Jan 6 that weren't used.

You can disagree on the architectural decisions/style but that has nothing to do with the reason for the construction project.

 

[SAJ-99]

My point, apparently not so obvious,

I hope so. I don't think you read the link he posted and you were responding to the thread title. After reading the link I took your point to be "Fraud happens...so it is ok if the President commits a little fraud".

I also point out that your AP link is from 2023 and contains the sentence below. So it was illegal and was being prosecuted, at least in 2023. Unfortunately we DOGE'd a lot of people in anti-fraud investigative units, so I'm not sure these days.

The U.S. government has charged more than 2,230 defendants with pandemic-related fraud crimes and is conducting thousands of investigations.

 

[406dn]

No matter your view of Jan 6 and who was/was not at risk, there were options for Jan 6 that weren't used.

You can disagree on the architectural decisions/style but that has nothing to do with the reason for the construction project.

Nice deflection. The January 6 failed insurrection never happens absent one man. You know who he is...and it's not Rudy Giuliani, or Mike Pence.

Now please, we made it 250 years without a ballroom. We could easily do another 250. It is a garish monument to one man. That is the reason for its construction.

 

[jimh406]

Now please, we made it 250 years without a ballroom.

Of course, the weapons that exist now didn't exist even a few years ago.

 

[406dn]

Of course, the weapons that exist now didn't exist even a few years ago.

So are you saying this white elephant will be obsolete when weapons we haven't yet envisioned are developed?

 

[jimh406]

So are you saying this white elephant will be obsolete when weapons we haven't yet envisioned are developed?

Nope, white elephant are your words. Are you wanting to put a permanent line item in the budget to update it as required?