Colorado wolves

[Ben Lamb]

Welp.

It's all over now. You'll never have another elk or deer in CO again. Just look how they've decimated MT, ID & WY.

 

[Cornell Cowboy]

In the past couple of years, I've personally seen two different wolves in Colorado, just south of the Wyoming border. The first was in late May 2018, only about two miles south of the WY border and had coloring similar to those in the OP's video. The second was in March 2019--this one was most notable because it was black. We were driving several miles northeast of Rabbit Ears pass right after the big spring storm and saw him running on the edge of the forsest about 300 yards away. For the second one, I actually filled out a report, but was never contacted further. I now suspect that the one we saw was the one that was reported by the CPW. Anyways, they're either more common that CO is letting on or I am the luckiest spotter on the face of the earth, as I only drive that route a few times per year.

 

[AvidIndoorsman]

Welp.

It's all over now. You'll never have another elk or deer in CO again. Just look how they've decimated MT, ID & WY.

The funny thing is that the biggest complaint about CO is overcrowding the states people say are so much better are ... "MT, ID, & WY" so if CO get's wolves, and the packs grow to MT size say 1000. That's 22,000 ish elk consumed so to keep the herds in balance you would need to cut CO tags in half maybe??...

Assuming the 50% tag reduction scenario we would still issue more tags then Montana or Wyoming. It would also mean dramatically less hunters in the field, so less crowding, perhaps even longer seasons... maybe enen archery rifle combined like those other states.

Funding would be hosed, it would likely cost CPAW $25-30 million in revenue a year, although I think our current model is pretty broken any way so maybe some hand forcing is a good thing.

 

[bushman13]

Or they continue to over sell elk, re-introduce wolves and the resident experience declines?

Totally agree though, comparing MT, ID, and WY is apples and oranges simply because the CO OTC non res angle. We would have to reduce the human predator population greatly before introducing a competitor.

The funny thing is that the biggest complaint about CO is overcrowding the states people say are so much better are ... "MT, ID, & WY" so if CO get's wolves, and the packs grow to MT size say 1000. That's 22,000 ish elk consumed so to keep the herds in balance you would need to cut CO tags in half maybe??...

Assuming the 50% tag reduction scenario we would still issue more tags then Montana or Wyoming. It would also mean dramatically less hunters in the field, so less crowding, perhaps even longer seasons... maybe enen archery rifle combined like those other states.

Funding would be hosed, it would likely cost CPAW $25-30 million in revenue a year, although I think our current model is pretty broken any way so maybe some hand forcing is a good thing.

 

[AvidIndoorsman]

Or they continue to over sell elk, re-introduce wolves and the resident experience declines?

It's only over-selling if the harvest is unsustainable, otherwise it's just good business. Colorado has decided that we shouldn't pay for anything and that state agencies should be run like businesses. That's not hyperbole, CPAW is literally classified as a business enterprise.

You get what you vote for.

*Yes I will continue to hammer TABOR on every thread that I can sneak it into, my apologies for any discomfort this may cause

 

[sbhooper]

No one mentions it but somehow they have a working group with the fish and game agency, a webpage with all kinds of photos and videos and FAQs and a fact sheet. But no, you're right, no one ever mentions it.

Gray Wolf

California's Only Known Wild Gray Wolf Pack Welcomes 3 New Pups

The Lassen Pack is now up to at least seven, according to state wildlife officials.

www.huffpost.com

California’s last wild wolf pack spotted with 3 new pups

California’s lone wild wolf pack has added at least three new pups, bringing the total number of gray wolves in the state to at least seven after the species was wiped out in the 1920s, wildlife officials said.

www.foxnews.com

https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article233597652.html

Ranchers prepare for wolves in Siskiyou County

Known as the “Lassen Pack,” its parent wolves have already sired pups three years in a row, and have four pups in the current litter,

www.siskiyoudaily.com

I recognize that California has a lot of bad policies, but give them some credit, they still have real biologists doing real work. The entire state is not this black hole of conspiracy theories.

Nope. Just a plain old black hole of liberal environmentalist/protectionists.

 

[AvidIndoorsman]

Nope. Just a plain old black hole of liberal environmentalist/protectionists.

As you once said:

One must keep an open mind on this stuff, instead of just writing it off as bs.

 

[Irrelevant]

As you once said:

dude, either
1. he said that very recently
2. you have an incredible memory
3. you have an incredible amount of time to go through all his posts assuming he must have said something like that at least once over the years.

 

[AvidIndoorsman]

dude, either
1. he said that very recently
2. you have an incredible memory
3. you have an incredible amount of time to go through all his posts assuming he must have said something like that at least once over the years.

 

[mtmuley]

wllm1313's laboratory. mtmuley

 

[AvidIndoorsman]

View attachment 122621 wllm1313's laboratory. mtmuley

Not that far from the truth to be honest.

 

[mtmuley]

Not that far from the truth to be honest.

Couldn't help myself. I enjoy your stuff. Mostly. mtmuley

 

[noharleyyet]

Nope. Just a plain old black hole of liberal environmentalist/protectionists.

Obligatory Morgan Freeman meme here....

 

[Tradewind]

Obligatory Morgan Freeman meme here....

Yeah,... I could use a replay

 

[elkduds]

FWIW, I currently serve as a sportsperson representative on CO Parks & Wildlife's Citizens' Roundtable. The Roundtable exists to increase and improve communication between hunters/anglers and the agency. Roundtable had a statewide meeting today and wolf reintroduction was a topic, albeit less so than you might think. The reason it was a limited topic is important to understand. As soon as wolf reintroduction became a ballot initiative 2 days ago (likely valid citizens' petition submitted w enough signatures to place issue on ballot per state law), the CPW agency and its employees were prohibited from expressing support or opposition about the proposal, per state law.

As this ballot issue plays out, the CPW will be conspicuously absent from the debate, because the law prohibits the CPW doing so. The message I heard, loud and clear from CPW administrators, is this: It is inaccurate to interpret CPW's silence as opposition or support for the wolf initiative. CPW and its staff are legally prohibited from expressing support or opposition to the ballot initiative RE wolf reintroduction. The CPW Board of Commissioners has previously expressed formal opposition to wolf reintroduction.

And that wasn't even the main substance of the meeting. There are multiple formal research studies underway concerning predators and other impacts on CO deer and elk herds. There are discussions happening about ways to increase user funding from hikers, cyclists, etc, to pay some of the expenses of Search/Rescue, wildlife management and improving access to State Trust lands; currently those are funded by license sales. The state process of grant funding for trail construction has been modified to pay more attention to impacts on wildlife from trail construction proposals. Impacts of nonhunting trail users on wildlife are being formally researched, comparing elk calving habitat near Aspen to similar but less-visited habitat in Bear's Ears. OHV registration fees pay for 50% of nonmotorized trail construction grants currently, the rest comes from GOCO state lottery revenues. The increase in receipts from license fees are paying for construction of wildlife highway crossings and development of 6 more public shooting ranges; and continuing development of formerly off-limits state lands for hunting, fishing and recreation. A new state park is being developed outside Trinidad CO, which will provide great elk and deer hunting.

If you have ??s about CPW, PM and I will help if I can.

 

[AvidIndoorsman]

Assuming the bill passes where would wolves be reintroduced? I'm assuming the flat tops?

There is no equivalent to Yellowstone or Glacier, per NPS Rocky Mountain's elk herd is below or at objective and doesn't require culling, and a wolf reintroduction into the Sand Dunes/ the San Luis valley isn't viable, page. 51.

 

[Cogreeny]

Assuming the bill passes where would wolves be reintroduced? I'm assuming the flat tops?

There is no equivalent to Yellowstone or Glacier, per NPS Rocky Mountain's elk herd is below or at objective and doesn't require culling, and a wolf reintroduction into the Sand Dunes/ the San Luis valley isn't viable, page. 51.

Drop the first pack in Boulder on pearl street I bet they’d have plenty to eat.

 

[AvidIndoorsman]

Drop the first pack in Boulder on pearl street I bet they’d have plenty to eat.

Bro, wolves hate patchouli... that's common knowledge

 

[Cogreeny]

Bro, wolves hate patchouli... that's common knowledge

Hahaha good one sir

 

[Buffs35]

Bro, wolves hate patchouli... that's common knowledge

So do the rest of us...