derr seem nice and fat to me,i think its more in the lower states that deer are smaller[in weight]seen deer all week,no bucks though.my buddy shot one last night,and like bruce said,in the rain.no luck finding him.seems it was not a fatal shot,the arrow went right true,had some fat on the fletching,hopefuly he will live to give us another shot,i went tonight seen one giving me the flag trough the thickets,dont know if it was a he or she.nice pictures dave i see you have alot of class as you are driving a ford,keep the pictures coming,i will try to get a few for you guys,latter all