noharleyyet
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.....'bout to jump in the truck and burn a dolla' o diesel to the office. Amazing machine, combusts distillate and uses urine for emissions deodorant.
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Natural gas, which from the ground needs no refinement and could be pulled from the line itself to power the compressor.
I can’t imagine the cost of home charging a Tesla in Boston, our price per kWh is 3-4x Denver. At current gasoline prices its way cheaper to own a IC car.
Don't be so sure of that. Govt chose diesel over coal for navy ships. Churchill was a leader in that for the free world.
Electricity had to be regulated to provide safe & inexpensive power, and chose electric over kerosene to power govt.
Mechanized replaced horse power starting in the first world war, through govt.mandate.
But the creedmore fits. You have that going for you.
I think the point was that the free market brought said technology to the masses. Government was just there, in your examples, to take advantage of what was available. Government didn’t have a hand in creating what it used.
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According to what I just looked up, California has the 7th highest kWh rate in the country. So I’m sure those residents there will be thrilled to charge their vehicles haha. I’m also sure that kWh cost will go down with the increased demand in electric moving forward.
Boston is even higher than California. I wouldn’t want to toast my bagel in Boston at that rate let alone charge my car.
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Our summer power bill runs around $300-350 a month for a 1300sqft house. We definitely don't keep it ice cold in the house either.According to what I just looked up, California has the 7th highest kWh rate in the country. So I’m sure those residents there will be thrilled to charge their vehicles haha. I’m also sure that kWh cost will go down with the increased demand in electric moving forward.
Boston is even higher than California. I wouldn’t want to toast my bagel in Boston at that rate let alone charge my car.
My Ryobi sounds about like one of those box fans on low speed, but has some sensor that will increase the power when the grass is thicker or wet. Pretty cool. I’ve had conversations on the phone as well with people who have no idea I’m mowing.
I think the point was that the free market brought said technology to the masses. Government was just there, in your examples, to take advantage of what was available. Government didn’t have a hand in creating what it used.
True, but it took the Gov't to make those enterprises profitable and widespread. That has the same net effect as subsidizing those developments.
There are many ways to get to the same point using Gov't. Just because the US Gov't didn't pay for the development of those resources, doesn't mean they weren't the reason they became successful.
noharleyyet
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Winners and losers...smoke(cough) and lobby(cough) mirrors
Some of it, sure. But the power of gov't purchasing does that in a neutral environment as well as in a swampy one. Fleet vehicle purchases drive the market. States, counties, town, & the fed buy a lot of vehicles, which is how CA drove the increase in fuel efficiency standards a decade ago or so.
In the case of converting navies from coal to deisel, it was about supremacy in military might - pushing technology in order to gain a strategic advantage - that's smart foriegn policy from the early 1900's. Just as moving from breech loading black powder weapons to smokeless bolt action weapons was a smart strategic advantage for ground combat.
Electricity provided a major strategic advantage in the US in terms of economic growth & building a better middle class. It also provided some of the best advertising around
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My August bill in CO for a 850sqft apartment with AC cranked was $78.
Our apartment in Boston was vacant with the AC turned off for May and was $120, the base delivery charge is $90. $40 of which is a renewable energy surcharge.
Brandon270
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Ouch that's brutal
noharleyyet
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...so much this, Newsom should have to buy a SAG card as a stuntman.
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Ouch!!!
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Ironically, my wife does prefer practical gifts. She wants a circular saw for xmas. I want a handsome stormy kromer.
thusby
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All those silent vehicles on the road and you will never be able to drunkenly walk home from the bar without getting hit.
Runnin_Chupacabra
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Assuming that doesn't effect my riding a lawn mower around Santa Margarita.
2rocky
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[sarcasm]Just think how much more valuable houses along a highway will be with less road noise and exhaust fumes? When voters repeal prop 13 this Nov., the extra funds from the higher property taxes will pay for it! [/sarcasm]
2rocky
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In all seriousness though....The future in heavy hauling is going to come from alternative fuel trucks.
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Threedognight
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Montana has started putting up huge fans to blow the smoke back to California!Speaking of air pollution. I think other states should start griping about how much California wildfire smoke is polluting their air.
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