Forkyfinder
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Curious - is a 257 weatherby the same thing?
Years ago, long before rangefinders and scopes - a hot fast magnum extended your effective range a lot.
What are your highly educated opinions on tech in hunting?
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Years ago, long before rangefinders and scopes - a hot fast magnum extended your effective range a lot.
That's a thought. Even if they did that though, there would still be educational content available online. I have mixed feelings about it. I am certainly a beneficiary of internet instructional videos. I had no one from whom to learn about hunting growing up. My dad didn't hunt. We knew a few people who did, casually, but they couldn't really teach me much of anything. I learned by reading books and watching videos. But, that said, I do understand how social media has increased the popularity of some of these methods/tech. Not sure what a realistic solution would be. In the mean time, I think regulating (and enforcing the regulations) on equipment is a good step.
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He probably knew/suspected you were hunting but from his past experience knew it would be a battle in court if he wrote you a hunting violation since you weren’t actively hunting but driving down the road.
A good warden can get a lot of information without you ever knowing. He probably ran your vehicle tags and knew all that he needed to know about your hunting licenses and such from that information.
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I think the only way you combat this and still provide a good amount of hunting opportunities is by making more tags and seasons primitive weapons(and doing it without providing excessive favoritism to bow hunters, muzzle loader, etc). I have the nice accurate rifle and scope with turrets, but I recognize that this becoming the norm with most of us hunters is not good for the future of the sport. It’s hard to envision a future of hunting in the west especially without more restrictive seasons as technology increases.
Idaho is talking about "adding" a center fire, open sights only season in some areas. I kinda wonder if the thought is to start by "adding" it and then slowly transitioning more of the any weapons season to that. If that's the goal, I think I'd be ok with it.
I think its a lot more likely that it was just because he knows me personally and knows I'm a law abiding hunter. Maybe if I was a stranger he would have asked to see my license.
The idea is from Utah, who already has it in place, and presented to a commissioner from the SE Mule Deer hunters. The SE Idaho mule deer hunters are trying their best to change mule deer weapons to lower harvest. Their last idea, which died, was to make all mule deer hunts muzzy.
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Sure.
I dont know - its just kind of curious to see that other outdoor communities are having the same problem (at least perceived) driven by some of the same dynamics. Fly fishing. Skiing. Waterfowl. Mushroom hunters.
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There will probably be quite a few people in the world that won't know what to do without technology if there was something big happens that takes out all of the electronic tech we have, like EMP or something like that. Knowing how to read a map and use a compass, don't have to as much as when I learned how to but it should be something that every outdoorsman knows how to use. It's the same with some of the other tech in regards to rifle calibers, integrated options on optics like kestrel, etc. That is why we have videos, discussions on what is ethical and what isn't an ethical shot because we have people that think since they have those things readily available due to just throwing money at something like we do in society nowadays they can shoot a deer at 1200 yards. I think the development of new tech is the nature of being human, we are always trying to improve things and get better but there will have to be regulations on certain tech at some point otherwise how much of a chance will the critters we chase have?
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I see. Think it'll get anywhere? I have to admit that there is a bit of a selfish element to my opinion on some of this stuff. I have the fitness level and stubbornness and am willing to go places and do things while hunting that most folks aren't. I've killed an elk every year (5 years) that I've hunted them, the furthest at 180 yds. Folks here in North Idaho are real attached to their road access and side by side driving season (called "any weapons season" in the reg book) and sometimes get kinda pissed at me when I suggest that more roads should be closed to motorized access.
I maintain just a small sliver of hope that a giant CME will some day knock technology back 200 years. Don't think it'll be that simple though.
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Tech kit'd posses...
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I don't think it will be that simple also. I think the AI thing is getting a little out of hand and it will only be getting more and more advanced.
Irrelevant
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I'm not tracking?
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To the OP, we are not far from sensors that could look at an area of interest and identify animals within it regardless of the eyes of a human being able to find them with or without optics. Currently, such things would be cost prohibitive due to resolution, but it's all headed one way which is better tech and more accessible pricing.
So where do we draw the line? This of course depends on the state, but where it's at right now would be fine. No further. That of course, would mean many lines (archery fps and things, optics and things, guns and things). But anything that increases the efficacy of hunters (pump and well analogy) in terms of tools (I'm not talking about clothes) should have definitions drawn around it that ceases progression in the hunting world. This would be hard. Outside of mountain bikers, I can't think of a culture that obsesses over their toys more.
If I were king for a day, there would be a rollback. There's precedent for this in Montana. We have Weapon Restriction Areas. They are fantastic, and can absorb so much pressure relative to take and relative to adjacent areas. If hunters really wanted to hunt, I believe we could configure our hunting regulations in such a way that wouldn't require a reduction in tag allocation or days in the field. We'd just hunt with different weapons. That of course is a pipe dream, but in the same way the Unlimiteds of Montana have a lore about them due to both geography and opportunity, if, using and extreme example, Nameless-Range-as-King said all of region 7 in Montana was now primitive bow only, decades later that chunk of earth millions of acres in size would also have such a lore. A state could too.
Instead though, we'll creep forward with technology hopefully catching some of the egregious things (nightvision, drones, etc), and eventually all hunt less.
So where do we draw the line? This of course depends on the state, but where it's at right now would be fine. No further. That of course, would mean many lines (archery fps and things, optics and things, guns and things). But anything that increases the efficacy of hunters (pump and well analogy) in terms of tools (I'm not talking about clothes) should have definitions drawn around it that ceases progression in the hunting world. This would be hard. Outside of mountain bikers, I can't think of a culture that obsesses over their toys more.
If I were king for a day, there would be a rollback. There's precedent for this in Montana. We have Weapon Restriction Areas. They are fantastic, and can absorb so much pressure relative to take and relative to adjacent areas. If hunters really wanted to hunt, I believe we could configure our hunting regulations in such a way that wouldn't require a reduction in tag allocation or days in the field. We'd just hunt with different weapons. That of course is a pipe dream, but in the same way the Unlimiteds of Montana have a lore about them due to both geography and opportunity, if, using and extreme example, Nameless-Range-as-King said all of region 7 in Montana was now primitive bow only, decades later that chunk of earth millions of acres in size would also have such a lore. A state could too.
Instead though, we'll creep forward with technology hopefully catching some of the egregious things (nightvision, drones, etc), and eventually all hunt less.
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Prior to rangefinders, turrets, etc - someone basically had twice the effective range with something like 257 wby or 264 win mag compared to 308 win.
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Did they? I'm not sure I'm buying that
My opinion is that IDFG commission will approve opticless rifles (or whatever is the restriction) as a choice to be used by IDFG for hunts. How it progresses from will depend on IDFG’s and hunters acceptance of the idea. If IDFG said unit 39 deer had the restriction, the hunters might ride their atvs to IDFG HQ to protest. Other units, probably would work.
I’m not against the idea, I’m just hesitant from past experiences to agree with any from Utah related to wildlife management.
Shims will get your scope past your shooting ability.
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Shims?
