Attack on the Feds independence

[BuzzH]

Curious how you felt when Obama spent 18 billion on ice alone?

Fine, as long as they didn't violate the law or constitution carrying out their duties.

No problem.

 

[cgasner1]

That was more than a decade ago. Did you want to go so far back and discuss what country destabilized South America and the Middle East. Causing the immigration problem

Ow hell only a decade? This thread has been blaming shit from the 70s for the guy that’s been in office the last 12 months

 

[BuzzH]

Elaborate. What does that look like to someone with a political POV like you have.

The same as it should look for anyone that took 10th grade civics.

 

[westbranch]

In your far left opinion, how should illegals be removed?

I have a hard time seeing how it is a far left opinion that US citizens 4th amendment rights should not be violated. IMO having one US citizen's 4th amendment rights violated is enough for any small government, freedom loving person to say that the way ICE is handling illegals needs to take step back. Pretty similar to how I feel about the 1st and 2nd amendments, and the rest of the constitution.

In the last year I feel like I have seen plenty of valid examples of ICE violating citizen's rights to say the way things are being done is not the way do it. The only reason ICE is going door to door and patrolling streets is to intimidate people and cause more division. And so people can talk on social media about "owning the libs".

 

[westbranch]

Curious how you felt when Obama spent 18 billion on ice alone?

55.56 times better? Which I still did not feel good about it.

https://www.cato.org/blog/deportations-add-almost-1-trillion-costs-gops-big-beautiful-bill

 

[westbranch]

I have a hard time taking anyone seriously that talks about "open borders". Sorry about the source, please provide refuting info.

https://www.cato.org/blog/biden-didnt-cause-border-crisis-part-1-summary

The main takeaways are:

• Illegal immigration had already increased to a 21-year high before Biden entered office.
• Biden immediately started increasing expulsions from his first day in office.
• Biden tripled interior detention and increased border detention 12-fold.
• Biden increased air removal flights by 55 percent over 2020 levels.
• Biden negotiated broader expulsion deals with foreign countries than Trump.
• Biden got many foreign countries to carry out crackdowns on illegal and legal migration.
• Biden removed or expelled 3.3 million border crossers—three times as many as Trump.
• Biden even managed to remove a similar percentage of crossers as Trump’s four years.

 

[rjthehunter]

The same as it should look for anyone that took 10th grade civics.

Spell it out wise guy. Have @Rainer and @Bonasababy help, you're all on the same page. How should illegals be removed if you don't like the way it's being handled? If you're so smart, lets hear your solution!

 

[BuzzH]

Spell it out wise guy. Have @Rainer and @Bonasababy help, you're all on the same page. How should illegals be removed if you don't like the way it's being handled? If you're so smart, lets hear your solution!

Without violating the 4th, 5th, and 10th amendments would be nice.

Google it...

 

[Forkyfinder]

Without violating the 4th, 5th, and 10th amendments would be nice.

Google it...

You mean like - hypothetically - if they are charged/convicted of a serious crime at the state or local level - they be turned over to ICE for deportation?

Sounds great to me. Just get about half the states/counties/cities to be in for that. Thats what it means to be a sanctuary city right?

 

[rjthehunter]

I'm glad ICE is here cleaning up this mess.

 

[rjthehunter]

Their social media is full of posts like this. But keep ignoring the fact that ICE is doing the right thing since you apparently think it's unconstitutional to remove illegal criminals from the country.

 

[mevertsen]

Okay.

And how many people's rights were violated in the process of apprehending those guys?

I havent seen anyone in this thread they have a problem with illegals, and violent illegals at that, being arrested. I do question if they'll actually stay away, like the guy above that has been deported 4 times before.

The issue is ICE using tactics which are blanket approaches, and are in turn violating rights of Americans in the process.

They are making illegal stops, and detaining and arresting people because of unqualified reasons, such as accent or skin color.

 

[Forkyfinder]

So when you guys encounter a DUI traffic stop - after not drinking - what's your course of action?

 

[westbranch]

Their social media is full of posts like this. But keep ignoring the fact that ICE is doing the right thing since you apparently think it's unconstitutional to remove illegal criminals from the country.

Good grief. I can guarantee you that nobody thinks its unconstitutional to remove illegal criminals from the country. Violating citizens rights in the process is unconstitutional.

 

[westbranch]

So when you guys encounter a DUI traffic stop - after not drinking - what's your course of action?

I push back at them with no issue. Probably helps that I am a tall, blonde, smart, well spoken (and handsome ) white guy.

 

[thebestusernamesaretaken]

Bottom line up-front: we pay a decent amount of taxes, but life is relatively worry-free. 10/10 recommend gov't funded through taxes, strong social programs.

27% of my overall gross income goes to taxes and I'm pretty damn happy with what I get in return, to name a few things: paid maternity leave (15 weeks prior to birth), paid parental leave (40 to 69 weeks after birth), paid paternity leave (5 to 9 weeks), free health care, subsidized daycares, free elementary and secondary schooling, cheap post-secondary studies, social security, Canada Pension Plan, Employment Insurance, etc. I also can't get fired because I called the President Prime Minister a .pdf protector.

I think something people don't understand is that if you make 260k, you don't pay a combined prov/fed tax rate of 47.5% for your total income (tax brackets below), it means that your earnings are progressively taxed per tax bracket, whatever % per tax bracket isn't tallied to the max for your gross income, your income is separated in tax brackets where that bracket is taxed at the bracket's rate.

We also don't have the American "hustle" culture where everyone seems to be overworked. We have strict employment laws and regulations to mandate federal $17.75/hour minimum wage (some Provinces at $19+), minimum paid vacations, sick leave, working hours, etc. We enjoy a lot of paid holidays and overall have a much better work/life balance. I remember on HT a few years back a thread where some members were mocking Canadians and our "aversion" to work and the numerous paid holidays we had, to this day I still don't understand the obsession with making work your life and entire personality. My job allows me to maintain the lifestyle my family and I enjoy, that's it, nothing more. I strive to be the last one in and first one out of work. My employer cannot use this against me as long as I complete my work during regular work hours, up to 37.5 hours a week, everything outside of that is over-time that my employer has to approve and pay me if I cannot reasonably perform my duties within these hours. There are obviously nuances with contractual work, shift workers, etc., but overall it's more or less the same. Yes, Canadians LOVE their paid time off to spend time with family, friends or afield!

Here are the Saskatchewan tax brackets for 2025:

• 10.5% on the first $53,463 of taxable income.
• 12.5% on the portion of taxable income over $53,463 up to $152,750.
• 14.5% on the portion of taxable income over $152,750.

2025 Federal Income Tax Brackets & Rates

• 15% on the first $57,375 of taxable income.
• 20.5% on the portion over $57,375 up to $114,750.
• 26% on the portion over $114,750 up to $177,882.
• 29% on the portion over $177,882 up to $253,414.
• 33% on the portion over $253,414.
  

So.... lower taxes, more benefits & bigger deer? WTH

 

[Archer86]

Good grief. I can guarantee you that nobody thinks its unconstitutional to remove illegal criminals from the country. Violating citizens rights in the process is unconstitutional.

https://cis.org/Krikorian/How-Can-Sanctuaries-Avoid-Mass-Deportation-Let-ICE-Their-Jails

If only we had a way to prevent this but sure seams like some cities would prefer to protect the illegal criminals and have this chaos that is currently happening.

 

[Gulf of America]

So when you guys encounter a DUI traffic stop - after not drinking - what's your course of action?

I’ve never run into one where a masked guy jumps out of an unmarked car and yanks me out of my car with a rifle pointed at my head before a breathalyzer, but maybe Billings does it differently.
The point is that there are illegitimate ways of doing legitimate things, and I think we’re there.

 

[Gulf of America]

I can’t believe how many “small government” types are totally fine with a federal police force with a budget bigger than the Israeli military operating under complete immunity at the presidents whim. If you somehow don’t think this is overreach, you have to recognize the potential for future abuse when the shoe is on the other foot.

 

[BuzzH]

I can’t believe how many “small government” types are totally fine with a federal police force with a budget bigger than the Israeli military operating under complete immunity at the presidents whim. If you somehow don’t think this is overreach, you have to recognize the potential for future abuse when the shoe is on the other foot.