Irrelevant
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You said, "there's not much around here." There is actually still quite a lot, maybe not as "much" as previously, but there's still a metric shitton of opportunity for someone who is actually looking and wants to work.
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Nick87
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That's what it boils down to ultimately, and no I don't want to certainly not like I used to anyway.
SAJ-99
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Yes probably a hyperbolic on that statement of “not much” but it’s all relative and I stand by my view. Hopefully the people at the unemployment office will tell newly unemployed to stop being lazy and apply for the RN positions at the hospital.
"Learn to code", amiright?
Irrelevant
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or, "have you tried showing up on time?"
SAJ-99
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I agree there is plenty of the that, which is why it is a stereotype. I'm not interest in assigning that as a reason to every person that loses their job. I have encountered many people with jobs that I would say are incompetent at it. Laziness is not what makes our unemployment rate over 5% while the national average is 4.3%. Same with the unemployment rate in Midland TX being 2%. Each area is different and has different economic drivers. There is also a mismatch in skills and requirements. That is constant these days, and I suspect getting worse.
jryoung
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In the healthcare space there are an incredible amount of openings, especially in CA. The health care space has created something like 30% of new employment over the past 5 years.
What we are seeing in our clinic and talking with friends and colleagues at hospitals, Kaiser and bigger clinics there is a massive shortage in qualified applicants. Experience/training skillset being the biggest gap, but a lot of unemployable individuals as well.
Finding nurses with good venipuncture skills is so damn hard right now, they just aren't getting the training. We've offered to send some to phlebotomy school (60 hours time, $3000 cost) with a forgivable loan over 12 months.
No one has taken us up on it.
You can have an amazing side hustle with a CPT-1 (certified phlebotomy technician) and being great at venipuncture can open up so many opportunities. This goes beyond what we offer for competitive pay, fully paid medical, dental, vision, 401k with 4% match, defined benefit program (7.5% annual comp).
It seriously sucks, you finally get a candidate with a great personality and CS skills, but you ask them for for some extra effort that builds their talent and they say no, I'm good.
What we are seeing in our clinic and talking with friends and colleagues at hospitals, Kaiser and bigger clinics there is a massive shortage in qualified applicants. Experience/training skillset being the biggest gap, but a lot of unemployable individuals as well.
Finding nurses with good venipuncture skills is so damn hard right now, they just aren't getting the training. We've offered to send some to phlebotomy school (60 hours time, $3000 cost) with a forgivable loan over 12 months.
No one has taken us up on it.
You can have an amazing side hustle with a CPT-1 (certified phlebotomy technician) and being great at venipuncture can open up so many opportunities. This goes beyond what we offer for competitive pay, fully paid medical, dental, vision, 401k with 4% match, defined benefit program (7.5% annual comp).
It seriously sucks, you finally get a candidate with a great personality and CS skills, but you ask them for for some extra effort that builds their talent and they say no, I'm good.
whether good or bad, folks these days are remarkably disinterested in jobs being anything beyond a job.
put in your 40 then gtfo.
i don't blame anyone for that mentality. you only have so long to live an interesting life with the people you love before the inevitable health problems, jadedness, and death, sap anything left worth having, if you're even that lucky.
Nameless Range
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According to the MIT Living Wage Calculator, the livable wage for a single adult with no children in Montana is $24.23 an hour. For a single adult with one child, the living wage increases to $44.07 an hour. That's living wage, not excess monies.
I can only speak to my own geography, but Montana is not flush with jobs providing wages beyond survival. There's certainly some, but not many - and they typically require a frontloaded education that expects more. I've watched many friends search. As the economists will tell you, there is no such thing as a long term labor shortage in a market with a wage mechanism.
Every day I drive by a billboard for the Montana State Hospital offering RN's a $49.19/hr starting wage with a $7,500 bonus. Sounds like a lot, but with RN schools in the state only accepting roughly 40-80% of the applicants (depending on the school), and extremely limited clinical opportunities, there is quite a bottleneck and relative to other opportunities for RNs it's just meh.
I can only speak to my own geography, but Montana is not flush with jobs providing wages beyond survival. There's certainly some, but not many - and they typically require a frontloaded education that expects more. I've watched many friends search. As the economists will tell you, there is no such thing as a long term labor shortage in a market with a wage mechanism.
Every day I drive by a billboard for the Montana State Hospital offering RN's a $49.19/hr starting wage with a $7,500 bonus. Sounds like a lot, but with RN schools in the state only accepting roughly 40-80% of the applicants (depending on the school), and extremely limited clinical opportunities, there is quite a bottleneck and relative to other opportunities for RNs it's just meh.
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This is pretty good proof, from their point of view, that your offer is not appealing.
jryoung
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I have no problem with my staff punching 40 and running out the door. In fact, it's encouraged, and it allows me to better put folks in the right roles.
What I don't get is someone getting making a one time investment of 60 hours for a certification that will benefit them for the rest of their days they choose to work in health care.
and i'm just ignorant, but what kind of ROI does that 60 hours get them?
it may benefit them for the rest of their days but how much?
there's just not a lot left in life worth losing another evening with my wife and kids over for example. and when that's all the time you get in any given day (besides the weekend), even if it's temporary, it's not often worth it, especially if the ROI is meh.
i mean considering i'd take a pay cut for a more flexible/hybrid role or work from home you can forget about me paying money and time for modest pay increases.
SAJ-99
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Or they rush home to stream some mindless show on Netflix.
Nick87
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Got that right.
I lay that blame solely at the feet of the businesses. I grew up thinking that I'd find a good job with a pension and work there until I retired. Turns out, there were few options like that in 2005-ish. With the exception of those I own(ed), I have yet to work for a company that made it seem like putting in much extra was going to benefit me in the long run.
I've busted my butt for the 3% raise plenty. Even had a couple years where I took on extra work and skillsets, pseudo promotion, etc. to get the same 3%. In that case I refused to sign and made a case for more. But it pissed me off because I felt like I was getting lowballed and they hoped I wouldn't kick up a fuss, instead opting to take my measly 3% and walk out.
I worked for a guy that used to use his banking background as an example. During review time, two employees would get called into the office.
"Hey man, you worked really hard this year. You busted your butt, put in extra hours, and really helped the team out! For that, we're happy to give you this 3% raise! Keep up the good work."
"Hey man, you really struggled this year. You showed up late a bunch of times and had to get reprimanded. You made a bunch of mistakes and cost your team time to fix them. For all that, we're only going to give you a 3% raise. Try and to better this year."
Nick87
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Well that's not entirety true but I agree anyway.
Irrelevant
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If reg people would just leave, the rich might find it sucks without landscapers, ski attendants, plumbers, etc.
Nameless Range
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That’s the crux of the social anxiety, the dissatisfaction with change, the involuntary dissolution of identity, the disdain for newcomers, the fight going on as I type this, and the bellyaching you endure from me.
Hard for folks to stomach being jettisoned from their Home with a capital H due to an influx of outsiders and interests morphing the place - and I don’t claim there is a solution, but I observe it and feel it.
jryoung
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Im paying them to go to school for just 60hrs with a forgivable loan over 12 months of employment.
But, broadly there are a number of on-call mobile phlebotomists opportunities $25-40/hr, you can set timing around your 9-5. It's a skill set critical for advancement up the nursing hierarchy and one that will get you noticed in a hospital setting. Our colleagues in hospitals are all in the same boat for shortages and they notice when someone is good. Our former staff that left us with these skills for a hospital to get that experience on their resume all advanced faster than those without. But I think a lot of that goes to their work ethic and desire for advancement. It echoes what @Irrelevant said, some show up expecting to drive a new truck and SxS, but don't see the work path to get there.
Side note - My instructor had a unicorn job where she did Duo draws at county corrections for $50/draw, she would often clear $1000 a week for just Friday/Saturday night.
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