Anybody Buying Yet? Where’s the Bottom?

[Irrelevant]

There are job openings in all environments. You selected two companies highly dependent on government funds. Spokane is still working on a northbound highway that I read the work is slated to ramp up over the summer. Hospitals are hospitals. But compared to a few years ago, hiring is not anywhere close. And like other large HC providers, Providence (SH) has had a hiring freeze for non-clinical staff for a year because it is losing money after medicaid cuts and trying to find ways to get back in the black under the "new normal" in HC. There are openings, but hiring is slow unless you are a specialty Dr they need. And even they can expect a tough negotiation.

You said, "there's not much around here." There is actually still quite a lot, maybe not as "much" as previously, but there's still a metric shitton of opportunity for someone who is actually looking and wants to work.

 

[Nick87]

wants to wor

That's what it boils down to ultimately, and no I don't want to certainly not like I used to anyway.

 

[SAJ-99]

You said, "there's not much around here." There is actually still quite a lot, maybe not as "much" as previously, but there's still a metric shitton of opportunity for someone who is actually looking and wants to work.

Yes probably a hyperbolic on that statement of “not much” but it’s all relative and I stand by my view. Hopefully the people at the unemployment office will tell newly unemployed to stop being lazy and apply for the RN positions at the hospital.

 

[Exhausted]

Yes probably a hyperbolic on that statement of “not much” but it’s all relative and I stand by my view. Hopefully the people at the unemployment office will tell newly unemployed to stop being lazy and apply for the RN positions at the hospital.

"Learn to code", amiright?

 

[Irrelevant]

Hopefully the people at the unemployment office will tell newly unemployed to stop being lazy and apply for the RN positions at the hospital.

or, "have you tried showing up on time?"

 

[SAJ-99]

or, "have you tried showing up on time?"

I agree there is plenty of the that, which is why it is a stereotype. I'm not interest in assigning that as a reason to every person that loses their job. I have encountered many people with jobs that I would say are incompetent at it. Laziness is not what makes our unemployment rate over 5% while the national average is 4.3%. Same with the unemployment rate in Midland TX being 2%. Each area is different and has different economic drivers. There is also a mismatch in skills and requirements. That is constant these days, and I suspect getting worse.

 

[jryoung]

In the healthcare space there are an incredible amount of openings, especially in CA. The health care space has created something like 30% of new employment over the past 5 years.

What we are seeing in our clinic and talking with friends and colleagues at hospitals, Kaiser and bigger clinics there is a massive shortage in qualified applicants. Experience/training skillset being the biggest gap, but a lot of unemployable individuals as well.

Finding nurses with good venipuncture skills is so damn hard right now, they just aren't getting the training. We've offered to send some to phlebotomy school (60 hours time, $3000 cost) with a forgivable loan over 12 months.

No one has taken us up on it.

You can have an amazing side hustle with a CPT-1 (certified phlebotomy technician) and being great at venipuncture can open up so many opportunities. This goes beyond what we offer for competitive pay, fully paid medical, dental, vision, 401k with 4% match, defined benefit program (7.5% annual comp).

It seriously sucks, you finally get a candidate with a great personality and CS skills, but you ask them for for some extra effort that builds their talent and they say no, I'm good.

....... RN positions at the hospital.

 

[TOGIE]

It seriously sucks, you finally get a candidate with a great personality and CS skills, but you ask them for for some extra effort that builds their talent and they say no, I'm good.

whether good or bad, folks these days are remarkably disinterested in jobs being anything beyond a job.

put in your 40 then gtfo.

i don't blame anyone for that mentality. you only have so long to live an interesting life with the people you love before the inevitable health problems, jadedness, and death, sap anything left worth having, if you're even that lucky.

 

[Nameless Range]

According to the MIT Living Wage Calculator, the livable wage for a single adult with no children in Montana is $24.23 an hour. For a single adult with one child, the living wage increases to $44.07 an hour. That's living wage, not excess monies.

I can only speak to my own geography, but Montana is not flush with jobs providing wages beyond survival. There's certainly some, but not many - and they typically require a frontloaded education that expects more. I've watched many friends search. As the economists will tell you, there is no such thing as a long term labor shortage in a market with a wage mechanism.

Every day I drive by a billboard for the Montana State Hospital offering RN's a $49.19/hr starting wage with a $7,500 bonus. Sounds like a lot, but with RN schools in the state only accepting roughly 40-80% of the applicants (depending on the school), and extremely limited clinical opportunities, there is quite a bottleneck and relative to other opportunities for RNs it's just meh.

 

[406dn]

No one has taken us up on it.

This is pretty good proof, from their point of view, that your offer is not appealing.

 

[jryoung]

whether good or bad, folks these days are remarkably disinterested in jobs being anything beyond a job.

put in your 40 then gtfo.

i don't blame anyone for that mentality. you only have so long to live an interesting life with the people you love before the inevitable health problems, jadedness, and death, sap anything left worth having, if you're even that lucky.

I have no problem with my staff punching 40 and running out the door. In fact, it's encouraged, and it allows me to better put folks in the right roles.

What I don't get is someone getting making a one time investment of 60 hours for a certification that will benefit them for the rest of their days they choose to work in health care.

 

[TOGIE]

I have no problem with my staff punching 40 and running out the door. In fact, it's encouraged, and it allows me to better put folks in the right roles.

What I don't get is someone getting making a one time investment of 60 hours for a certification that will benefit them for the rest of their days they choose to work in health care.

and i'm just ignorant, but what kind of ROI does that 60 hours get them?

it may benefit them for the rest of their days but how much?

there's just not a lot left in life worth losing another evening with my wife and kids over for example. and when that's all the time you get in any given day (besides the weekend), even if it's temporary, it's not often worth it, especially if the ROI is meh.

i mean considering i'd take a pay cut for a more flexible/hybrid role or work from home you can forget about me paying money and time for modest pay increases.

 

[SAJ-99]

i don't blame anyone for that mentality. you only have so long to live an interesting life with the people you love before the inevitable health problems, jadedness, and death, sap anything left worth having, if you're even that lucky.

Or they rush home to stream some mindless show on Netflix.