Wyoming PAC

[bigsky2]

I wouldn't know these guys if they walked into my house and sat on my couch. So, your guess is wrong. Yeah, it took me less than five minutes to determine their efforts were worth my donation.

I'd be curious as to what this "Conservation Industrial Complex" is? I've volunteered for most of the national groups and many of the state-based groups. I'm a Life Member of at least a dozen of them. Every single one of them do good work. Everyone of them rely on committed volunteers to get that good work done. None of those volunteers view themselves as part of an "Industrial Complex."

Your statements, which I'll take as a reflection of your opinion, doesn't show much appreciation for the many volunteers who make up the backbone of these organizations. In my opinion, it's a kick in the crotch to these volunteers and that will get a reaction from me, which you view as "outsized."

You write that the work of these groups is "almost always to the detriment of the NR hunter." The best thing a non-resident could do is to support groups that are helping put more critters in the landscape in states where we are non-residents. Us NRs the first to get cut in a state like Wyoming, as it should be, and we have the most to benefit if we can keep herds at higher numbers.

Mule deer numbers have dropped by 50% in Wyoming in the last 25 years. That's at least a 50% drop in NR tags for us. In most instances it is more, as the tag cuts resulting from lower herd numbers is disproportionately in the NR allocation to keep resident opportunity in tact. The pattern for pronghorn populations is very similar, as are the tag cuts.

Imagine how much easier it would be for us NRs to draw mule deer or pronghorn tags if we had twice as many animals on the landscape, as we had 25 years ago. It would be way easier. I'll support any group that is trying to change the trends and put more animals on the land, which is more tags for Rs and NRs.

If we are to ever get headed back that direction of higher herd numbers, it is going to be because residents of Wyoming, and groups they volunteer for, do the things necessary to protect and improve habitat. Habitat degradation being the biggest reason for these declines.

We as non-residents are not going to sway their politicians or their elected/appointed officials. We're pretty much relegated to helping with our pocketbooks, our support of orgs that are doing that good work, and advocating for Federal land policies that give more accommodation to wildlife where much of this wildlife lives. Seeing Wyoming residents as enemy and fearing/distrusting Wyoming folks who work to increase herd numbers is a logic that is lost on me.

I get it, the world is divided into scarcity thinkers and abundant thinkers. The volunteers who are trying to put more wildlife on the landscape to the benefit of everyone are the abundance thinkers.

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We could use a lot more of the abundance mindset in the hunting community.

 

[brocksw]

Donated! Thanks for sharing @BuzzH!

 

[TOGIE]

Maybe come up with another term for it though…

“Abundance Mindset” has already been co-oped by a well-known G word.

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you know you've really jumped the shark recently from being a guy with some legitimate and interesting opposing viewpoints that warrant discussion to just being a blowhard and a dick.

 

[Treeshark]

you know you've really jumped the shark recently from being a guy with some legitimate and interesting opposing viewpoints that warrant discussion to just being a blowhard and a dick.

Thanks for sharing your perspective. Hunt Talk has seemingly changed quite a bit, turning hard towards the NGO/lobbyist direction. @Big Fin’s outsized reaction and full-throated defense after vetting this group for 5 minutes was revealing.

I’m not sure if it’s as good of a fit for me as it once was, probably time to give HT a rest for a bit.

The Joel Osteen/“Abundance Mindset” connection (Google it) was just too perfect though, I hope you’ll forgive me.

God speed, dudes

 

[TOGIE]

Thanks for sharing your perspective. Hunt Talk has seemingly changed quite a bit, turning hard towards the NGO/lobbyist direction. @Big Fin’s outsized reaction and full-throated defense after vetting this group for 5 minutes was revealing.

I’m not sure if it’s as good of a fit for me as it once was, probably time to give HT a rest for a bit.

The Joel Osteen/“Abundance Mindset” connection (Google it) was just to perfect though, I hope you’ll forgive me.

God speed, dudes

weak! i always thought you had more fight than that.

adios.

 

[Treeshark]

weak! i always thought you had more fight than that.

adios.

Believe me, I do But I also don’t want to disrespect @Big Fin- this is his place and it’s clearly not the place for some of my thoughts on this subject.

Just probably a good idea to take a break.

 

[Forkyfinder]

Believe me, I do But I also don’t want to disrespect @Big Fin- this is his place and it’s clearly not the place for some of my thoughts on this subject.

Just probably a good idea to take a break.

Na - your thoughts/motives give him and other folks great opportunities to refute your delusional positions with distinct clarity.

Stick around

 

[TOGIE]

But I also don’t want to disrespect @Big Fin- this is his place and it’s clearly not the place for some of my thoughts on this subject.

please, spare the martyr talk.

there's like 3-4 guys that basically share your opinion in this thread that didn't get the grief you did for it. it's a remarkably reasonable opinion to not want to put money towards something that you either fully can't trust yet or just don't know if it will benefit you or anything.

just quit being an inflammatory troll every time you open the keyboard mouth.

substantiating one's claims usually helps too

nonetheless enjoy your break.

 

[Drake4]

The two most comical things on HT:
1. All the adults that get worked up, butt hurt, and offended every time Buzz posts anything
2. The adults that throw their sucker in the dirt and make a public proclamation that they're leaving, when people call them out on the stupid stuff they post....only to come back later

 

[brymoore]

Televangelists as mentors…

 

[Forkyfinder]

So - circling back here - a good indicator of how good of an idea it is - treecarp lover (not purchaser) of transferable lo permits, has an explosive outburst of uncontainable frustration over this new formed group.

If i were a wy resident id skip some beer this weekend or a steak dinner and cut a check.

Shame treecarp left and is afraid to respond before someone from the PAC could join and re-explain the issues with it... you know ... for the first time

 

[KingOfTagSoup]

I'm late but I'm caught up now lol. All I will say is that I hope they make a difference and I am really glad to see they oppose transferable landowner tags. Nothing against landowners, but special transferable tag programs are a problem that hurt access in numerous states, including my own.

 

[Caseknife]

Just a heads up, I donated this morning, more than the options listed, thinking a one time donation. Signed in and noticed that it was a recurring monthly donation, oops, had to cancel that recurring part.

 

[Southern Elk]

I’m not sure if it’s as good of a fit for me as it once was, probably time to give HT a rest for a bit.

Promise?

 

[Johnny Bravo]

I'm late but I'm caught up now lol. All I will say is that I hope they make a difference and I am really glad to see they oppose transferable landowner tags. Nothing against landowners, but special transferable tag programs are a problem that hurt access in numerous states, including my own.

There should be ZERO landowner tags to begin with…problem 100 percent solved. Put that on the website and I would be happier.

 

[elkduds]

So - circling back here - a good indicator of how good of an idea it is - treecarp lover (not purchaser) of transferable lo permits, has an explosive outburst of uncontainable frustration over this new formed group.

If i were a wy resident id skip some beer this weekend or a steak dinner and cut a check.

Shame treecarp left and is afraid to respond before someone from the PAC could join and re-explain the issues with it... you know ... for the first time

My donation from CO was gratefully accepted.

 

[Forkyfinder]

There should be ZERO landowner tags to begin with…problem 100 percent solved. Put that on the website and I would be happier.

I see your point - but i feel that if they were tied to population goals/objectives, habitat incentive, and/or access incentives and are not transferable they could certainly be a good thing.