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Wisconsin Wolf kill reaches 50% of statewide quota after first day of season; DNR to close three zones
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Northwoods Labs
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Actually we were over the quota, that is fact.I think anyone who looked at the rules would know what hunters would do (reporting kill at last possible hour) so hunt would conintue longer before being closed for quota. And also knowing that the tribes would take 50% of quota of the northern ceeded lands, the "real" quota was barely over. I don't believe the 10% objective was even close, meaning I believe there are way more than 2000 wolves in Wisconsin. Long way of saying, I beleve the DNR actaully used common sense on this one and took all of this into account. Yes, I said itSo what my real concern is that it is being reported that we are were way over quota, when we actual weren't
Nick87
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How did you expect it to go with a qouta system like that? Send out a group text "quota met put down the guns"?
El Jason
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I’m sure that was taken into consideration when quotas were set.
Sorry, meant that for @Northwoods Labs
Nick87
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Yes my thought as well.
Northwoods Labs
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Yea, the quota was 200 including tribal harvest.......so we dipped into quota reserved for the tribes. The non-tribal quota was 119.......so we went WAY over that
Northwoods Labs
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easy. close all zones at 10 AM Wednesday
ssmusicman
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Harvest quota was 200, 216 taken, 8% over, easy math. The tribes had the same season to harvest wolves as the rest of the state but the tribal harvest was always going to be ZERO, everyone knows that, it was a game. I can't believe I'm going to type this, but, intentionally or unintentionally, the DNR actually got one right for a change.
Northwoods Labs
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The non-tribal quota was 119....you are only happy they got it right because we went over the quota and you have a bias against wolves. If we go over the quota for any other species in this state sportsman are not happy. What other species do we expect DNR to manage at a bare minimum? Zero
Wisconsin's hastily arranged wolf hunting and trapping season ended with many more killed than quota
Hunters and trappers had registered 182 wolves as of 3 p.m. Wednesday, 53% higher than the statewide kill goal of 119.
www.jsonline.com
BrentD
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That's a pinwheel bullseye right there.
Give the wolves a few months and no one will even notice the difference. The wolves aren't going away
Also, wolves are competing for the same thing hunters are after, and they're pretty good at it too. I wouldn't expect many hunters to all the sudden have warm fuzzy feelings for them
ssmusicman
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Just listened to the whole WI DNR Web news conference from yesterday, a very good listen if you are interested in what some of the DNR folks think about the season. I found it a lot less editorial than the MJS article linked above.
News Conference: WI DNR 2021 Wolf Harvest - Bing video
Northwoods Labs
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Paul's article was 100% factual. Nothing editorial about it, perhaps you just don't much like the inconvenient truths
Hydrophilic
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Is there data suggesting this will make a difference in the deer or not? I asked for this in another thread but received an opinion.
Hydrophilic
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2019: "We are in the neighborhood of all-time record high deer numbers in Wisconsin," Kevin Wallenfang, Department of Natural Resources deer and elk ecologist
If I'm to believe the state's Deer and Elk ecologist, which I typically always do over hunters anecdotal statements, Wisconsin has (or had) a record high population of Wolves coinciding with a record high population of deer.
Deer population at potential record high as hunters set sights on 2019 Wisconsin gun season
The Department of Natural Resources estimates 2 million white-tailed deer are present in Wisconsin, providing good prospects for hunters in the 2019 gun season.
www.jsonline.com
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In the other thread someone responded the deer in the Northern part of state are getting hit hard. I could not find data to support that statement.
Your statement about wolves 'chomping' down on deer for years doesn't mean anything significant, regarding population trends, without data. Predation can be compensatory, or additive. You can still have a growing deer population with compensatory predation. If predation was compensatory the WI wolf hunt was nothing more than recreational hunting for the purpose of managing wolves at some arbitrary number and completely insignificant to helping the deer. So if you wanted to hunt wolves for fun then hopefully if was fun, if you thought you were saving the deer it was a fantasy...which can still be fun!
"Many deer hunters tend to believe that every deer killed by a predator results in one less deer available for a human hunter to harvest. Research has found the truth to be more complicated. Predators do not, in fact, always reduce the population growth rates of prey. Biologists use the terms “compensatory” and “additive” to describe the impact of predation on any given wildlife population. If predation is “compensatory,” it means the total number of prey to die in any given year does not change as a result of predation. It means the predators remove the number of animals that would have been lost anyway to other causes."
"In Wisconsin, deer populations have continued to increase across much of the state since the mid-1990s, despite increasing wolf and bobcat (and arguably black bear) population densities."
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‘If predation was compensatory the WI wolf hunt was nothing more than recreational hunting for the purpose of managing wolves at some arbitrary number and completely insignificant to helping the deer.’2019: "We are in the neighborhood of all-time record high deer numbers in Wisconsin," Kevin Wallenfang, Department of Natural Resources deer and elk ecologist
If I'm to believe the state's Deer and Elk ecologist, which I typically always do over hunters anecdotal statements, Wisconsin has (or had) a record high population of Wolves coinciding with a record high population of deer.
Deer population at potential record high as hunters set sights on 2019 Wisconsin gun season
The Department of Natural Resources estimates 2 million white-tailed deer are present in Wisconsin, providing good prospects for hunters in the 2019 gun season.www.jsonline.com
DNR data
In the other thread someone responded the deer in the Northern part of state are getting hit hard. I could not find data to support that statement.
Your statement about wolves 'chomping' down on deer for years doesn't mean anything significant, regarding population trends, without data. Predation can be compensatory, or additive. You can still have a growing deer population with compensatory predation. If predation was compensatory the WI wolf hunt was nothing more than recreational hunting for the purpose of managing wolves at some arbitrary number and completely insignificant to helping the deer. So if you wanted to hunt wolves for fun then hopefully if was fun, if you thought you were saving the deer it was a fantasy...which can still be fun!
"Many deer hunters tend to believe that every deer killed by a predator results in one less deer available for a human hunter to harvest. Research has found the truth to be more complicated. Predators do not, in fact, always reduce the population growth rates of prey. Biologists use the terms “compensatory” and “additive” to describe the impact of predation on any given wildlife population. If predation is “compensatory,” it means the total number of prey to die in any given year does not change as a result of predation. It means the predators remove the number of animals that would have been lost anyway to other causes."
"In Wisconsin, deer populations have continued to increase across much of the state since the mid-1990s, despite increasing wolf and bobcat (and arguably black bear) population densities."
Good. I support recreational hunting, within limits. And yes wolves do eat deer.
Unless the pornhub server is down, I’m curious why so many folks on this forum are upset about this.
Nick87
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Wouldn't ofchanged a thing majority were shot on tuesday anyway. Everybody waited the max amount of time to call them in so the hunt could keep going.
Shangobango
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Ben, the studies I have seen dealing with this were all dealing with coyotes. Are there similar studies dealing with wolves or fox?
Northwoods Labs
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The issue is that we took quota reserved for the tribes, it is a bad look and something that will end poorly for hunters.
Lots of barstool biology studies
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