Western States Roadkill Salvage Questions

[jryoung]

Any of you in western states have an idea of what your state game/wildlife agency had to do in order to create a reporting system for roadkill salvage? I'm looking for details as to what was required for creating a system in terms of cost and development and what it costs to maintain annually if these costs are known.

CA has a mandate to create a system, but the legislature hasn't/won't appropriate funds. However, our estimates of costs I think are unreasonable $1,600,000 start up and $1,000,000 annually to maintain. I know there will be a need for headcount, and software development, but it seems that if there is a system out there perhaps we can leverage it.

Anyway, hoping some of you folks that are deep into your departments workings have a perspective.

 

[TheTone]

In Idaho it was a legislative law effort that was department supported. It’s been modified one time since passed to allow people to dispatch animals. I’ll find you the code sections and that should get you the bill information. I seriously don’t see it as costing much of anything. Very few salvage permits are issued in person, vast majority are done online

 

[Dakotakid]

MT is an online form-

Vehicle-Killed Wildlife Salvage Permit | Montana FWP

The 2013 Legislature passed a bill that allows for the salvage of deer, elk, moose, and antelope killed as a result of a collision with a motor vehicle.

fwp.mt.gov

Don’t know the cost, of an extra web page.

 

[BucksnDucks]

$1.6 is a low ball estimate for sure. Upon the unfortunate passing of any creature in Ca, a multitude of steps must take place.
First the animal must be categorized according to the G. Newsome scale of majestic political appeal. This process requires three consultants representing Hollywood, Silicon Valley, and the Greater Tahoe Lake Front Home Owners Association and two state attorneys.
If the animal is not found to be in the top tier of cuddly untouchables, an on-call non-denominational spiritual guide must be present to escort the animal's soul to the afterlife.
Applicants may then submit a request for a permit review. The twelve person review panel will explore the applicant's qualifications and grant bonus points based on:

1. Race
2. Gender
3. Political Affiliation
4. Sexual preference
5. Number of Istagram followers
6. Carbon Footprint

Once an applicant is chosen there is a mandatory meeting with a Vegan/Cannabis Chef to go over cruelty free diet plans.
So yeah man there's a lot to do.

 

[Irrelevant]

Any of you in western states have an idea of what your state game/wildlife agency had to do in order to create a reporting system for roadkill salvage? I'm looking for details as to what was required for creating a system in terms of cost and development and what it costs to maintain annually if these costs are known.

CA has a mandate to create a system, but the legislature hasn't/won't appropriate funds. However, our estimates of costs I think are unreasonable $1,600,000 start up and $1,000,000 annually to maintain. I know there will be a need for headcount, and software development, but it seems that if there is a system out there perhaps we can leverage it.

Anyway, hoping some of you folks that are deep into your departments workings have a perspective.

Sorry can't provide any specifics, but it's seems to be fairly cheap. They created a database for road kills from WSDOT, then a web map for salvage permit lookup. A short online form to get a permit. Only one webpage to maintain. I'm sure you've seen it.

Roadkill salvage permit

To prevent deer and elk killed on Washington roads from going to waste, WDFW allows people to legally salvage carcasses with a free, printable permit.

wdfw.wa.gov

 

[BucksnDucks]

https://www.sacbee.com/news/california/article257814713.html

Here's the link for reference

 

[jryoung]

$1.6 is a low ball estimate for sure. Upon the unfortunate passing of any creature in Ca, a multitude of steps must take place.
First the animal must be categorized according to the G. Newsome scale of majestic political appeal. This process requires three consultants representing Hollywood, Silicon Valley, and the Greater Tahoe Lake Front Home Owners Association and two state attorneys.
If the animal is not found to be in the top tier of cuddly untouchables, an on-call non-denominational spiritual guide must be present to escort the animal's soul to the afterlife.
Applicants may then submit a request for a permit review. The twelve person review panel will explore the applicant's qualifications and grant bonus points based on:

1. Race
2. Gender
3. Political Affiliation
4. Sexual preference
5. Number of Istagram followers
6. Carbon Footprint

Once an applicant is chosen there is a mandatory meeting with a Vegan/Cannabis Chef to go over cruelty free diet plans.
So yeah man there's a lot to do.

Based on discussions with others and re-reading the Legislative analysis in hindsight neither CDFW, CalTrans or Department of Health want this to happen.

 

[BucksnDucks]

Based on discussions with others and re-reading the Legislative analysis in hindsight neither CDFW, CalTrans or Department of Health want this to happen.

I didn't follow this closely when it came about, but I don't recall any state agency really pushing an opinion one way or another. I'm all for utilizing meat but see more potential abuse than good. I think it could be great in some regions of the state and a pretty big mess in others.

 

[BackofBeyond]

In Idaho it was a legislative law effort that was department supported. It’s been modified one time since passed to allow people to dispatch animals. I’ll find you the code sections and that should get you the bill information. I seriously don’t see it as costing much of anything. Very few salvage permits are issued in person, vast majority are done online

Maybe my N. ID hillbilly is slipping out, but… we do?

 

[hank4elk]

NM is just call the warden and tell them what & where. $15 for the 2 cows I have gotten, same for a bull & spike.

 

[choc dogs]

Maybe my N. ID hillbilly is slipping out, but… we do?

I'm pretty sure I saw something about it. Still think bullets are cheaper than bumpers

 

[bullbugle307]

I didn't follow this closely when it came about, but I don't recall any state agency really pushing an opinion one way or another. I'm all for utilizing meat but see more potential abuse than good. I think it could be great in some regions of the state and a pretty big mess in others.

In Wyoming our Game Wardens Association fought it several times that I can remember. I know they're not at agency per se, but there's a lot of overlap between that Association and WGFD leadership. You can pretty much bet on our Director coming out of the Game Warden ranks.

I never felt the abuse argument was all that valid personally. If someone was going to abuse that, they're probably already a poacher.

 

[thomas89]

The abuse factor is absolutely laughable in any arguments against game salvage.

 

[Goodfish]

I think the abuse arguments were before trucks cost $60K! You can buy a lot of fillet mignon for a trip to the body shop these days.

 

[CowboyLeroy]

What exactly is the penalty for just picking it up and leaving?

 

[EKYHunter]

Here you just contact the game warden or other law enforcement who will contact the game warden. They’ll give you a disposal tag and your good to go. No hassle at all.

 

[dirtclod Az.]

Any of you in western states have an idea of what your state game/wildlife agency had to do in order to create a reporting system for roadkill salvage? I'm looking for details as to what was required for creating a system in terms of cost and development and what it costs to maintain annually if these costs are known.

CA has a mandate to create a system, but the legislature hasn't/won't appropriate funds. However, our estimates of costs I think are unreasonable $1,600,000 start up and $1,000,000 annually to maintain. I know there will be a need for headcount, and software development, but it seems that if there is a system out there perhaps we can leverage it.

Anyway, hoping some of you folks that are deep into your departments workings have a perspective.

How many animals do you plan on hitting?
AND how much are the vehicle repairs going to be?

 

[Salmonchaser]

Problem is you don’t have to be the one who hit it. “Saw it there, Figured someone hit it, how was I to know it had been shot” kinda thing. But yes that guy was already a poacher so all the law has done is make it more difficult, in some cases, to prosecute him. Overall in favor but still seeing plenty of dead dear along the road. No idea how many are salvaged in our area.

 

[gouch]

Oregon started letting people salvage roadkill a couple of years ago. I never paid much attention and don't know anyone who has picked up any roadkill but about two weeks ago I decided to check out what the law actually said. I was surprised how easy they made it, considering how the state usually likes to complicate everything as much as possible.

1. find roadkill. 2. throw it in the truck. 3. fill out online permit within 24 hrs. 4. butcher animal. 5. take head to Game Commision within 5 days. 6. grill Backstrap.

 

[BucksnDucks]

In Wyoming our Game Wardens Association fought it several times that I can remember. I know they're not at agency per se, but there's a lot of overlap between that Association and WGFD leadership. You can pretty much bet on our Director coming out of the Game Warden ranks.

I never felt the abuse argument was all that valid personally. If someone was going to abuse that, they're probably already a poacher.

Any insight on why the Warden Association was against it?
It seems most comments believe there is no chance of abuse in the new system. I hope that is the case, my experience in this state of 39 million people has me skeptical.