Valid concern or paranoia?

[Beignet]

I totally respect your choices of where you will or won’t shop, so this isn’t a critique of your choices but more so me piggybacking off of this to voice my opinion about what I am or not willing to do. Personally, I am less threatened by going to private property or places of business that have video surveillance because I am choosing whether or not to go there to do business and I factor the surveillance into the equation of whether or not I choose to shop.

I have placed surveillance cameras on my jobsite and signage that is visible at the entrance alerting workers and visitors there are cameras onsite. I do that partly as a deterrent to theft and vandalism and partly so I have potential recourse for prosecution for theft or vandalism. I’ve had both happen on my jobsite.

Persons who are not comfortable having their entrance and exit onto the property and into the house are not required to enter nor work on my jobsite.

However, I do not monitor the public road in front of the driveway or the neighboring properties with the intention of catching whatever potential criminal activity may be taking place in a public space or neighboring property.

To me one scenario involves informed consent because a person chooses to come onto private property for the sake of a business transaction. The other scenario (and flock cameras in public) involves a non consensual surveillance of someone going about their personal business in a public space.

This is different then building massive datasets to say, make a conclusion that someone with an MSU sticker on their car is more likely to shoplift than someone with a Griz sticker, then treat all following customers accordingly.

 

[Beignet]

I needed a couple tools and miscellaneous stuff today. I wanted to go to Lowe’s, but went to Home Depot instead. I will no longer be shopping at Lowe’s. Enough is enough. I really like Scheels, but I’m going to try to stay out of there too.

Depot probably just as bad. You have a locally owned friendly Ace hardware nearby?

 

[Nick87]

Depot probably just as bad. You have a locally owned friendly Ace hardware nearby?

I'm not sure it matters where you shop now.Given how many you pass on the way to any given store.

 

[Gerald Martin]

DeFlock

Find license plate readers (LPRs) near you.

deflock.org

Dang. Four cameras in Bozeman. Set up at the entrances to Lowe’s and the public road accessing it. I might start spending more time at stores that offer the same products without the integrated surveillance.

 

[mtmuley]

I totally respect your choices of where you will or won’t shop, so this isn’t a critique of your choices but more so me piggybacking off of this to voice my opinion about what I am or not willing to do. Personally, I am less threatened by going to private property or places of business that have video surveillance because I am choosing whether or not to go there to do business and I factor the surveillance into the equation of whether or not I choose to shop.

I have placed surveillance cameras on my jobsite and signage that is visible at the entrance alerting workers and visitors there are cameras onsite. I do that partly as a deterrent to theft and vandalism and partly so I have potential recourse for prosecution for theft or vandalism. I’ve had both happen on my jobsite.

Persons who are not comfortable having their entrance and exit onto the property and into the house are not required to enter nor work on my jobsite.

However, I do not monitor the public road in front of the driveway or the neighboring properties with the intention of catching whatever potential criminal activity may be taking place in a public space or neighboring property.

To me one scenario involves informed consent because a person chooses to come onto private property for the sake of a business transaction. The other scenario (and flock cameras in public) involves an non consensual surveillance of someone going about their personal business in a public space.

Sorry you have to do that. We don't here in the Root. Maybe @BuźzH
can chime in. mtmuley

 

[Southern Elk]

Depot probably just as bad. You have a locally owned friendly Ace hardware nearby?

I do. I shop there when I can. Unfortunately in the small tourist trap of a town I live in, they are a quite expensive. I saved a good bit of money at Home Depot. And as it pertains to the subject of this thread, I avoided the store with flock cameras and took my business to their competitor.

 

[Beignet]

Dang. Four cameras in Bozeman. Set up at the entrances to Lowe’s and the public road accessing it. I might start spending more time at stores that offer the same products without the integrated surveillance.
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It was my impression that they’re not supposed to be collecting data from public roads in MT. That whole principal of having a choice to enter a private space or not.