Valid concern or paranoia?

If your doing nothing wrong it shouldn’t make your worried. Why the cameras are there ( and everywhere) is what it is. None of them will go away nor will there be less in the future.

Now, stop picking your nose!
*removed what read like a personal attack* "if your doing nothign wrong it shouldn't make you worried" is just not the correct way to look at this one.
 
They don't prosecute the political criminals that have raped and robbed our country blind, but they sure do like to go after that average Joe. Ive only read one story about using flock cameras to solve a child abduction case quickly. Many more stories have been about abusing them or using it for meaningless infractions.

From a legal standpoint, you cannot expect privacy when in public - filming is legal and thats been proven over n over. However, these are not people filming, its a computer filming as a mass surveillance tool by the government which raises 4th amendment concerns. When we start acting like Britain, American's start throwing tea in the harbor, or in this case, taking sawzalls to the flock camera poles.

Im not a fan of them at all. I have licenses that require a clean record, I pay taxes, don't speed, just a regular citizen with kids and nothing to hide from a camera. Id much rather have the ability to defend myself and not depend on law enforcement being 5 min away or peeping on my every move.

When they aim flock cameras at gun stores and home improvement stores, it's as if they are tracking those who can function independently vs those who cannot. Im 1,000,000% sure the data is not just stored locally, and is being abused by shady gov agencies.
 
Makes me uneasy but honestly if your taking your phone, Apple Watch, new car, etc they already know where you are.
The difference is that most technology and auto companies, especially Apple, are deadly serious about requiring a valid search warrant before turning over user data to LEOs. Flock operates and implicitly markets itself as outside of the purview of the 4A.
 
I’m for more cameras. Legal rules around their use are necessary but too much crazy out there and LEOs need all the help they can get.
 
The difference is that most technology and auto companies, especially Apple, are deadly serious about requiring a valid search warrant before turning over user data to LEOs. Flock operates and implicitly markets itself as outside of the purview of the 4A.
Copy that. I honestly don’t know much about them but what you said is very alarming.
 
The difference is that most technology and auto companies, especially Apple, are deadly serious about requiring a valid search warrant before turning over user data to LEOs. Flock operates and implicitly markets itself as outside of the purview of the 4A.

Most of that stuff you sign up for, and if you read the user agreements, etc you are willingly signing your privacy away, and with your phones, etc you can simply turn them off or leave them behind.

The Flock cameras may have some utlity for safety, but so does every draconian invasion of privacy in the name of security. What we've seen demonstrated by our government since 2001 is that individual liberty is a nusiance to them.
 
Thats a conflicting point.
I fail to see the conflict. Each individual situation needs to be evaluated to determine if government needs a warrant, much like cell phone info. It can take pictures of plates to give speeding tickets. There should be more cameras in public places. Private enterprises can do anything they want as long as they let you know what you are signing up for.
 
It can take pictures of plates to give speeding tickets.
Not in Iowa. They changed this law last year. Most of the communities near us had at least 1 camera and they've had to take them all down as they did not fit the criteria for improving safety. I got a ticket from Cedar Rapids in the mail while having not been there in months. I asked my wife what she was doing there, knowing that she had not been there either. Upon further review it was the same model and color car but the license plate was 1 number off.

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Not in Iowa. They changed this law last year. Most of the communities near us had at least 1 camera and they've had to take them all down as they did not fit the criteria for improving safety. I got a ticket from Cedar Rapids in the mail while having not been there in months. I asked my wife what she was doing there, knowing that she had not been there either. Upon further review it was the same model and color car but the license plate was 1 number off.

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Sounds like it worked like it should. Not having it is the people of Iowa’s choice. But it doesn’t change the demographics of the police force and the persistent shortage of new recruits. I guess they don’t complain about the enforcement of laws?
 
you hear more stories about the abuses because that makes a better story.

we had a large employee meeting recently about critical infrastructure safety and cyber awareness with our local FBI Special Agent In Charge who oversees the local/regional JTTF or whatever.

the talk/meeting barely scratched the surface in the slightest, but the amount of stuff going on you never hear about that is keeping things genuinely safe in this country is mind blowing
 
Airguns and spray paint come to mind here.

I drive old cars, leave my cell phone at home, and mostly drive dirt roads.

Im supprised no one else was ever worried about all of the camera that have been along the interstates for over a decade.
 
They have been shown to be prone to abuse in the wrong hands:

Flock Safety cameras help solve crimes. But who’s watching the watchers?: https://www.investigatetv.com/2026/...ras-help-solve-crimes-whos-watching-watchers/

How rogue officers turned a nationwide camera network into a tool for stalking: https://wapo.st/4wMgiQi

Police Have Reportedly Used License Plate Readers to Stalk Romantic Interests Dozens of Times in Recent Years: https://ij.org/police-have-reported...-interests-at-least-14-times-in-recent-years/
"Hi, I'm Officer Olsen. I joined the police force to help out my community, and stalk my ex girflriend."
 

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