RIP Charlie Kirk

[jryoung]

I'm sorry, losing a friend just sucks.

 

[Lota lota]

blowhard
/ˈblōˌhärd/
A blowhard is a boastful, arrogant person who talks loudly and incessantly to impress others, often without much substance to their claims. Synonyms for blowhard include boaster, braggart, and windbag, while the term is often used disapprovingly to describe someone who is full of bluster and self-importance.


Ok, champ.

Windbag and arrogant is fitting. Let's keep this on track. I don't want your smartass comment to derail this post.

 

[WyoCoalMiner]

If you want to make this a left vs right and start quoting calls for violence against political adversaries, then I'll play

Please don’t.

 

[Hilljackoutlaw]

Many just assumed that this was a leftist political assassination but it appears to be much more complicated that that. If this is the guy who done it; It appears that he was raised in a politically right leaning church going family. Not that the two are mutually exclusive but his mother had allegedly posted a family photo of him dressing up as riding on Trump's shoulders on Halloween (which could be interpreted many different ways). He went to the school that some had said indoctrinated him for only one semester. I would think that one semester at a school may not be enough to derail what appears to be a lifetime of opposing viewpoints. It might be that society is creating these people not universities. It seems that those people who have been so one sided for much of their lives are becoming angry at the disillusionment once they have changed their minds. They may be frustrated, isolated from their formor friends and family and feel like they don't have a way to process the anger other than violence.

I never met or paid much attention (if any), to Mr. Kirk. I think that this is an awful senseless murder. However, many are expressing lofty praise and adoration for a person that other reasonable minded folks found that he apparently had said some really mean, hurtful and bigoted things to. For example "Black people were "better" in the 1940s under Jim Crow laws". He said, "A man who calls himself trans is wearing 'woman face,' no different than I would wear Black face trying to be a Black person. It's assuming an identity that isn't yours." and that Black women "do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person's slot to go be taken somewhat seriously."

I think it would be helpful to acknowledge that he is was he was, and he had faults just like everyone else. Kirk making those offensive statements doesn't justify the killing, but the killing doesn't justify those who praise for him for being a good human being either.

Upon seeing this event unfold, I felt that this was going to blowback on the hunting community as a whole. Given where it happened as a strong hunting culture and that the bolt action rifle that was used is a typical deer riffle and that it was only one shot may lead some to believe that we are engendering some sort of violence in our nature. I think that we should guard against that by talking about how this is not our way.

Hunters are respectful of life and most take it very seriously when we take a life of any creature. We have focused on firearm safety ethical taking of animals and by default have to make an example of those who don't follow those guidelines because we have to protect the culture. If non-hunters relate either the victim of this assassination or the assassin with the rest of us, this may still become a problem for all of us.

Of course he was not perfect. We were created a flawed people only one person ever lived a perfect life. I believe he was a good man not perfect. The things you quoted need context and this post is a veiled attempt at justification for what happened whether you meant it to be or not. Also when you stand on truths I mean real biblical truths you will be mocked and hated. We are told this. Charlie stood on those truths and died doing it. Doesn't make him a bad person.

 

[Little Big Man MT Chris]

What I’ve learned about Charlie Kirk , at 18 years old he chose to dropout of community college and became a co founder of a non profit with a friend called Turning Point USA , his dream was to be an advocate for conservative politics and values on college campuses and Highschools ,

12 years later at his death , his nonprofit became a nation wide movement with offices or chapters in over 3500 colleges and high schools , over 2000 student groups and over 800 faith based groups , apparently millions of today’s youth looked up to him , my son who is 22 and just graduated college and knew more about Charlie than I did , when I asked him who he was said “he was literally the biggest political voice of my generation “

Pretty amazing story about a kid with a dream and in a short time of 12 years changed the world.


I only probably watched 15-20 clips of him debating People on college campuses over the last few years , and when I heard he was killed , I’ve never grieved over the death of someone I’ve never know so deeply…

RIP young man

 

[PoleX]

I never met or paid much attention (if any), to Mr. Kirk.

Should have left it at that..

 

[cgasner1]

 

[PoleX]

Take your own advice.

Waiting on this bull to start talking again. He’s somewhere in there.

 

[okie archer]

Many just assumed that this was a leftist political assassination but it appears to be much more complicated that that. If this is the guy who done it; It appears that he was raised in a politically right leaning church going family. Not that the two are mutually exclusive but his mother had allegedly posted a family photo of him dressing up as riding on Trump's shoulders on Halloween (which could be interpreted many different ways). He went to the school that some had said indoctrinated him for only one semester. I would think that one semester at a school may not be enough to derail what appears to be a lifetime of opposing viewpoints. It might be that society is creating these people not universities. It seems that those people who have been so one sided for much of their lives are becoming angry at the disillusionment once they have changed their minds. They may be frustrated, isolated from their formor friends and family and feel like they don't have a way to process the anger other than violence.

I never met or paid much attention (if any), to Mr. Kirk. I think that this is an awful senseless murder. However, many are expressing lofty praise and adoration for a person that other reasonable minded folks found that he apparently had said some really mean, hurtful and bigoted things to. For example "Black people were "better" in the 1940s under Jim Crow laws". He said, "A man who calls himself trans is wearing 'woman face,' no different than I would wear Black face trying to be a Black person. It's assuming an identity that isn't yours." and that Black women "do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person's slot to go be taken somewhat seriously."

I think it would be helpful to acknowledge that he is was he was, and he had faults just like everyone else. Kirk making those offensive statements doesn't justify the killing, but the killing doesn't justify those who praise for him for being a good human being either.

Upon seeing this event unfold, I felt that this was going to blowback on the hunting community as a whole. Given where it happened as a strong hunting culture and that the bolt action rifle that was used is a typical deer riffle and that it was only one shot may lead some to believe that we are engendering some sort of violence in our nature. I think that we should guard against that by talking about how this is not our way.

Hunters are respectful of life and most take it very seriously when we take a life of any creature. We have focused on firearm safety ethical taking of animals and by default have to make an example of those who don't follow those guidelines because we have to protect the culture. If non-hunters relate either the victim of this assassination or the assassin with the rest of us, this may still become a problem for all of us.

This posts seems to be an attempt to take some of the blame off of the killer and place on his parents, the right, and Charlie Kirk.
Very distasteful.
The killer is fully responsible for his decision to murder an innocent man. End of story.

 

[thebestusernamesaretaken]

This posts seems to be an attempt to take some of the blame off of the killer and place on his parents, the right, and Charlie Kirk.
Very distasteful.
The killer is fully responsible for his decision to murder an innocent man. End of story.

Nope - Kirk making those offensive statements doesn't justify the killing, but the killing doesn't justify those who praise for him for being a good human being either.

 

[Nick87]

Nope - Kirk making those offensive statements doesn't justify the killing, but the killing doesn't justify those who praise for him for being a good human being either.

What?

 

[Gerald Martin]

My daughter and I were talking about the significance of the what Charlie Kirk did for Gen Z and how many of her generation are reacting against progressive politics and trending right.


They are coming of age in a time when societal norms and even human biology has been called into question by experts. They’re seeing and experiencing firsthand the effects of these confusing and contradictory truth claims personally and in their friends groups and are looking for something real and dependable rather than the conceptual anarchy they’ve been inundated with. The virtual world and social media is integrated throughout their lives.

Charlie Kirk articulated a judeo-Christian worldview and a conservative political approach that provided a definitive counter to many of the beliefs and policies advanced by progressive institutions and current social movements.

Those conversations took place in the public sphere and he was willing to engage and advance his ideas with just about anyone willing to debate. There is an honesty in that that many young people appreciate even if his ideas were in opposition to theirs.

 

[Gerald Martin]

Nope - Kirk making those offensive statements doesn't justify the killing, but the killing doesn't justify those who praise for him for being a good human being either.

Are those statements you quoted something you heard originally and are putting together or talking points you have seen reported by folks who are categorizing CK as a hate monger?

I’ve seen multiple shorts and clips of his discussions that were provocative and seemed offensive that when the entire conversation was watched and context was established proved to be different than what was claimed the clip proved.

 

[Forkyfinder]

Nope - Kirk making those offensive statements doesn't justify the killing, but the killing doesn't justify those who praise for him for being a good human being either.

 

[Hilljackoutlaw]

Context matters more than ever living in the world of edited reels. A prime recent example of this is the lie being pushed by conservatives atm about democrats not letting there be a moment of silence for Charlie. They 100% gave a moment of silence for him. They objected to a prayer after the moment of silence. Which is normal procedure on the floor.

Such a meanie head.
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[jejack26]

It's interesting. To satisfy my own curiosity, I spent some time watching videos of him debating. He was very articulate, well read and respectful of his opponent. I couldn't find anything remotely offensive or an example of "hate speech ".

Are we just to the point where hate speech is now just someone with an opinion different from ours ? Prayers for the wife and children left behind.

 

[Gellar]

I have been very apprehensive to join this conversation and I still am not sure I want to. I truly have no dog in this fight and would feel the same way if any political leader in the United States was assassinated.

One thing that stand out to me after 2.5 days is how pathetic our news is. The major networks rush to be the first to report whether it is right wrong or indifferent. Social media journalists create some misleading headline that consumers grasp onto and believe without reading the article. AI creates an article that is terrible and obviously fake.
Yesterday I saw with my own eyes a scrolling banner on Fox News at the top of the screen saying the shooter was captured and in custody. At the bottom of the screen a separate scrolling banner read the assassin had not yet been captured and there were no suspects. I saw many reports from various news networks saying how a 200 yard shot was only possible by a trained shooter with wind calculations, compensation for the heat and humidity and elevation. We all know that’s not true. On social media the algorithm steers only content based on your searches and history only showing you one perspective of a story. No news is ever going to point a finger at themselves but imo news whether it’s cable tv, internet based, independent, etc need to take some of this blame for such divisiveness in our country and work to regain the integrity of prior journalists that we can all recall from the nightly news during our younger years.

 

[okie archer]

It's interesting. To satisfy my own curiosity, I spent some time watching videos of him debating. He was very articulate, well read and respectful of his opponent. I couldn't find anything remotely offensive or an example of "hate speech ".

Are we just to the point where hate speech is now just someone with an opinion different from ours ? Prayers for the wife and children left behind.

Unfortunately yes.

 

[406dn]

Political leaders have been at high risk of assassination going back to Caesar, at least. There have been 45 different men to hold the office of US president. Four of them were assassinated while in office. An additional one was only saved with prompt medical intervention. Another was the target of two inept attempts of assassination. So the odds of being killed while in office aren't too much below one in ten.

Any person with strong opinions that decides to express them openly and publicly, knowingly or unknowingly accepts a risk that goes with that. Not that that is right, but history proves it to be true. Malcom X was a militant public figure during the civil rights era. He is somewhat analogous to Kirk, coming from the other side of the spectrum.

It is interesting to me that there is so much attention to the unjust murder of a political figure, when we have largely numbed ourselves to students being shot while attending school. It is not like those kids have done a damn thing to draw attention to themselves.

 

[SAJ-99]

categorizing CK as a hate monger

CK certainly wasn't that. He was a click-bait provocateur. That was the job. He was good at it. He said some questionable stuff, for sure. It is more a reflection of our society when a portion of population viewed those statements as some new gospel to follow blindly and another portion viewed it as the worst thing they ever heard and a call to arms. Unfortunately, finding some middle ground in that is getting harder.